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BEYOND THE TRAPPINGS: A profile of Traditionalist Catholics in Los Angeles
Los Angeles Times (free registration required) ^
| February 15, 2004
| Eryn Brown
Posted on 02/15/2004 6:55:00 PM PST by Deo volente
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A lengthy and in-depth look at traditionalists in Los Angeles, mainly of the SSPX variety. The author takes an even-handed approach to the subject. Definitely not a hit piece, IMO. The article shows traditional Catholics to be pretty normal people! A surprise from the usually liberal L.A. Times.
To: Deo volente
A look at a SSPX chapel in Los Angeles on a typical Sunday:
It's a typical Sunday morning at Our Lady of the Angels Church in Arcadia. Mass is scheduled to begin at 10 a.m., but by 9:45 the church's parking lot is already full, and parishioners have stationed their cars down Temple City Boulevard and onto the adjacent residential streets. The men dress in coats and ties, the women in modest skirts. Those women who haven't brought a hat or scarf take a small lacy veil from a rack just outside the sanctuary door and place it atop their heads. Even the youngest girls wear head coveringslittle pink knit hats, little pink muslin kerchiefs.
There are lots of small kids at Our Lady of the Angels, which reflects the strict traditionalist ban against birth control. (During a recent service, the priest told his flock that a large family might cause financial pressure, but "faith will provide.") Some families show up with four or five children in tow. The kids sit quietly through the 90-minute service, only fidgeting occasionally. It's a remarkable sight. Church and synagogue can be hard to sit through under any circumstances, for adults as well as for youngsters. But Our Lady of the Angels does regular boring church one better.
Following the old Tridentine rites, Father Charles Ward performs the service entirely in Latinexcept for the biblical readings and his sermon, which is lengthy and didactic, focuses intensely on Scripture and offers advice and guidance for good Catholic parents. The line for Communion is long. The choir sings for some time, too. And yet, throughout, the children sit quietly and behave, every hair in place.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:31:55 PM PST
by
Deo volente
(God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
To: Deo volente; Canticle_of_Deborah; Land of the Irish
Nice story.
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:40:10 PM PST
by
CARepubGal
(SWMBFAO (Watching my back vigilantly))
To: drstevej
except for the biblical readings and his sermon, which is lengthy and didactic, focuses intensely on Scripture and theeeerre ya go! ;-)
To: CARepubGal; Deo volente
We'll see stories like this more and more, IMO. The world has become so crass, materialistic and violent that it is inevitable the pendulum swings back in the opposite direction.
Stories like this have shock value because crude, rude and a life without rules is now the norm.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Cool. Might cause some reformation!
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:57:27 PM PST
by
drstevej
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I think the trend is promising and welcome. :-)
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posted on
02/15/2004 7:57:48 PM PST
by
CARepubGal
(SWMBFAO (Watching my back vigilantly))
To: NYer
I thought you might like this story. Maybe you could ping your Catholic friends.
I wonder if Cardinal Mahony reads the L.A. Times!
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02/15/2004 8:19:36 PM PST
by
Deo volente
(God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
To: Deo volente
And the kids are happy. They follow the Mass with children's missals. Even the toddlers are given pious picture books to look at. Afterwards, we go downstairs for refreshments. Some of the kids scoot around playing tag. The ones who served as altar boys are now able to relax. In the traditional Mass these acolytes have real liturgical duties to perform, busily interacting with the priest--just as their counterparts did a thousand years ago.
To: Deo volente
Thanks for this nice article. I actually registered at LA Times to read the rest of the article.
(During a recent service, the priest told his flock that a large family might cause financial pressure, but "faith will provide.") Some families show up with four or five children in tow.
Four or five might be considered "large" in Los Angeles, but that would be considered a small family in our parish. Even Mel Gibson had at least 7 last I heard. Maybe the reporter thought his readers wouldn't believe him if he said "Some families show up with 10 or 12 children in tow."
To: Deo volente
The kids sit quietly through the 90-minute service, only fidgeting occasionally. It's a remarkable sight. Church and synagogue can be hard to sit through under any circumstances, for adults as well as for youngsters. But Our Lady of the Angels does regular boring church one better.This is true, and it was very perceptive of the reporter to notice it. The children at the Latin Mass are much better behaved than at the New Mass, even though it takes longer and the service is in Latin. Even my own children have improved considerably since we began attending the Latin Mass. The reporter can't figure out the reason because it's not immediately evident -- the supernatural reality of the traditional Catholic Mass. Children realize that they are in the presence of God, not just attending a boring man-made ceremony.
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To: CARepubGal
Why? Nobody speaks latin any more.
I have a hard time when masses are part english, part latin.
Masses weren't always said in latin. They were said in common tounge (Greek?) before latin was "standardized"
You think church attendance is low now, go ahead and revert back to latin. At least English gives the pew warmers a chance at hearing the Gospel.
To: Deo volente
They are a fractious bunchthese are, after all, folks who have taken the radical step of breaking away from Rome They sound like any other protestant church.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
We've seen a few stories in the local liberal house-rag (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) in the last year or so which are NOT in the typical liberal mold.
Mostly written by younger, GenX writers who have a genuine interest in and respect for conservatism.
(Hasn't reached the 'religion' desk yet..but who knows?)
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02/16/2004 8:31:13 AM PST
by
ninenot
(Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
To: drstevej
Reformation=SHORTER SERMONS
Note that the current Pope's allocutions are typically 10 minutes or less. A word to the wise in search of election....
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02/16/2004 8:32:23 AM PST
by
ninenot
(Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
To: 1stFreedom
Latin has been used for two thousand years without a problem. If you can't take the trouble to figure out what's going on, then your problem is not with the Mass but with yourself. And what makes you think the Gospel isn't read in English?
To: Deo volente
Nice article. Interesting how the non-Catholic writer seems so unbiased...very refreshing these days.
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posted on
02/16/2004 8:44:28 AM PST
by
autopsy
To: Ronaldus Magnus
The SSPX never broke with Rome. Rome broke with Sacred Tradition and when the Society wouldn't play along, it unjustly demonized them.
To: 1stFreedom
Why? Nobody speaks latin any more. Yeah, unlike when my dad was a kid in the Bronx; all those working class Irish and Italian kids used to speak nothing but Latin...
I have a hard time when masses are part english, part latin.
I have a similiar problem: I find it hard when masses are part Catholic, part New Age crap
Masses weren't always said in latin.
Yeah, just a thousand years or so - just a fad...
You think church attendance is low now, go ahead and revert back to latin. At least English gives the pew warmers a chance at hearing the Gospel.
Church attendence was far higher prior to Vatican II mass changes. I'm not saying that this proves that the mass was the reason, but there sure isn't any evidence that the Novis Ordum increased attendence.
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02/16/2004 8:46:38 AM PST
by
jscd3
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