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To: sitetest
Your error is that you've conflated created reality with reality.
The transcendent God is certainly part of reality, but not created reality. God is the uncreated reality.

You have subdivided reality into three subsets -- reality, created reality, and uncreated reality.

I'll concede that ...

a. Reality is that which exists.
b. Created reality is that which exists after being created by man, lesser animals, or lesser living organisms.
c. Uncreated reality is that which might someday exist.

But ... I will not concede that thinking that something exists means that the "something" exists. Thoughts do exist, and we know that thoughts can include imaginary beings that are non-existent; Santa Claus for instance.

And so, the simplistic question remains ...

Did God create God?

152 posted on 01/29/2004 8:39:09 AM PST by thinktwice (The human mind is blessed with reason, and to waste that blessed mind is treason)
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To: thinktwice
Dear thinktwice,

Actually, I didn't divide reality into three different subsets. Reality, itself, is the total set. Uncreated reality and created reality are the two subsets.

Is the universe, as a whole, created, or uncreated?

If it is uncreated, then there is an example of uncreated reality.

If it is created, then who created it? If no one created it, then it is uncreated.

"But ... I will not concede that thinking that something exists means that the 'something' exists."

I'm not asking you to concede anything. You don't have to believe in God. You don't have to believe in an uncreated reality (though you leave yourself an unrsolvable conundrum in that then you are implying that a created thing exists - the universe as a whole, without anything having created it).

You must only concede that the concept of an uncreated reality is possible, and that we would assign God to that sort of reality. It just isn't necessary to posit that there can only be a created reality.

Your error is in thinking that that which is not proven (God, uncreated reality), cannot be.

Thus the question, "Did God create God?" is unnecessary.

You may wish to read a good book of basic philosophy.


sitetest
153 posted on 01/29/2004 9:21:30 AM PST by sitetest
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