Mary’s devoted heart

Sorry, "The Immaculate Heart of Mary" and Christianity don't mix. Counting her blessed among women is something else entirely from counting her as a "super-saint" or the one woman with an immaculate heart. D-fendr: Hi mom? Huh? xzins: Football season's over, man. I was going for a three-pointer.

Far from being over, the Football Season has just entered its most important phase- The Playoffs.

I note your knowledge of football is as accurate and as reliable as your knowledge of Christianity. You hold partial truths about both.

C'est la vie.

Hail Mary describes a desperation pass. While virtually all desperation, last second, passes are long, not all long passes are Hail Marys. Former Oakland Raiders great Daryl Lamonica, he of sainted memory, liked to throw a long pass on the very first down of the very first offensive series in the first quarter.

"Calvin, like Luther and Zwingli, taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. The early Reformers even applied, though with some reticence, the title Theotokos to Mary . . . Calvin called on his followers to venerate and praise her as the teacher who instructs them in her Son's commands."

{J.A. Ross MacKenzie (Protestant), in Stacpoole, Alberic, ed., Mary's Place in Christian Dialogue, Wilton, Conn.: Morehouse-Barlow, 1982, pp.35-6}

I supect that were Calvin alive today he would be a football fan - NFL Europe though - and he would not object to "Hail Mary" being used as shorthand for a way to describe an act of desperation.

"Hail Mary, full of Grace....blessed are thou...blessed is the fruit of they womb, Jesus...Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinful quarterbacks and wide receivers and pray my pass will be completed now and at the hour of our sudden death overtime playoff game. Amen"

The season is over. They're in the playoffs and in the bowl games.

DrSteve, a great fan of LSU, who had a decent team this year realizes that football teams like Vanderbilt are no longer playing football. There is one thing to account for this: their season is over.

As is the season for most everyone.

It would be accurate to differentiate between the regular season and the playoff/bowl games.

So....maybe you don't know as much about football as you think; maybe there are arguments you simply don't acknowledge because you choose not to.

And maybe...just maybe....you aren't God's final authority on Free Republic regarding the matters of the Roman Catholic Church.

Whaddayathink?

I was waiting for the Mariolaters to show up.

What a coincidence; I was waiting for the Maryphobs to show up!

Q. Name a theology thaht prohibits love, admiration, and venoration for anyting other than Christ.

A. Yours.

Get a clue: Christ's grace gives the faithful the capacity to MULTIPLY our ability to love, in fact it is the only thing that gives us the capacity to truly love one another. To be blessed by grace is to know that love is not limiting or limited. It is not only possible to love Mary, and all the saints; intensely it is the inevitable reflection of our cooperation with the free gift of grace.

If one has the capacity to elevate Mary to a level of veneration that you find uncomfortable, imagine how much further they elevate their worship of Christ.

Is you ability to love so limited that you have room only for Christ?

The season is over. They're in the playoffs and in the bowl games.

The playoffs are part of the football season although not all the teams are qualified to be in them; just as not all collections of like-minded christians are worthy of being called a church.

DrSteve, a great fan of LSU, who had a decent team this year realizes that football teams like Vanderbilt are no longer playing football. There is one thing to account for this: their season is over.

Typical proddy error. The errors of Subjectism are thought normative for others.

is the season for most everyone.

So, now you are modifying your original arguement. Typical Proddy :)

would be accurate to differentiate between the regular season and the playoff/bowl games.

Now you are admitting that you were acting in haste in jettisoning the fullness of truth about football. :)

...maybe you don't know as much about football as you think; maybe there are arguments you simply don't acknowledge because you choose not to.

No. I know a lot about football.

maybe...just maybe....you aren't God's final authority on Free Republic regarding the matters of the Roman Catholic Church.

All my arguemnts are sourced with Documentation from the Living Magisterium. I KNOW I am not the expert. Holy Mother Church is and her Docrines are the Doctrines of Christ and they are exoteric and easly accessible in the Cathecism which is freeely available online.

Whaddayathink?

I think with the mind of the Church established by Jesus - Matt 16:18. That is the duty of ALL Christians.

What a coincidence; I was waiting for the Maryphobs to show up!

To be a Mariophobe would imply that I hated Mary and was afraid of her. I am neither afraid of her, nor do I hate her. She is, as the Bible says, blessed among women.

Q. Name a theology thaht prohibits love, admiration, and venoration for anyting other than Christ. A. Yours.

I love other people than Christ alone--I could not be a Christian if I did not love my brother, for example. I admire people, heroes of the faith like John Wesley, E. Stanley Jones, A.W. Tozer and W.E. Sangster. I even venerate them, to the degree that I admire them. I do not, however, pray to them or let them come anywhere near usurping God's place in my heart.

If one has the capacity to elevate Mary to a level of veneration that you find uncomfortable, imagine how much further they elevate their worship of Christ.

There are those who would 'venerate' Mary to the point of proclaiming her Co-mediatrix with Christ. Tell me how their veneration of Mary has elevated their worship of Christ. I am not convinced that the elevation of Men in one's sight elevates God still higher.

To be a Mariophobe would imply that I hated Mary and was afraid of her. I am neither afraid of her, nor do I hate her. She is, as the Bible says, blessed among women.

pho·bi·a n. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

This dictionary definition seems to fit you and many other Protestants to a "T" when it comes to Mary. On the outside it almost seems to reflect a faith in Christ so weak that to focus, even obliquely, on anything else would damage, beyond repair that professed faith. And frankly, Maryphobe is far less offensive than the implications that the term "Mariolitors" conjures up.

Your inability to discern the intent and faith of those who hold the Mother of God in the highest esteem of any human has no bearing. Frankly, you willingness to venerate heretics and apostates before the Mother of God is appalling.

You do understand that the “co” in co-mediatrix doesn’t mean equal to don’t you? I can tell you how veneration of Mary elevates Christ but I can never convince you until you abandon your man made tradition of Protestantism and all the baggage it caries. All true Catholics recognize that Mary is a created being. All true Catholics realize that the created can never eclipse God who alone is worthy of worship. If this is true, and it is, than any elevation or veneration Mary enjoys magnifies our worship of God. Again, your inability to understand and my inability to explain adequately are not conditions of truth.

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