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RECONSTRUCTION THEOLOGY AND HOME EDUCATION [Rushdoony, HSLDA, Gary North]
Houston Unschooling Group ^ | 1999 | Mary McCarthy

Posted on 11/17/2003 8:24:55 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine

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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Again, you need to go back and take elementary logic.

Where in "Political Polytheism" does Gary North say that he opposes legal and sustained majoritarian balloting upheld by the federal judiciary?

You can post a billion things from a billion books and essays, but you will never post anything written by a "Reconstructionist" that goes against the fundamental principles of the United States Constitution. Never!

61 posted on 11/17/2003 1:19:26 PM PST by Precisian
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To: Precisian
I'm sorry, but that piece that I just put up states clearly that the franchise needs to be limited to Christians. That is abhorrent to me, and only those who inhabit a really slimy little theological niche would deem that to comport with the letter and spirit of the Constitution - plus, you'd be wrong.
62 posted on 11/17/2003 1:24:33 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I've been quite happy to watch the "persecution" of common criminals being caught and slapped about by the citizenry (myself included), or the police.

Why am I not suprised that you've been 'quite happy' to see people slapped around by the police?

63 posted on 11/17/2003 1:30:14 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
Because you realize that I am the type of person who believes muggers and theives and criminals deserve what they get.

Tell me, when the men in my neighborhood ran down a thief last year after he had stolen a bike from a local girl, were we wrong to be happy in the accomplishment, including the bruising tackle the thief suffered at the end of the chase when we dragged him down to the pavement at the curb in the middle of an intersection? Was it wrong for us to be gleeful in watching him rightly suffer at our hands for the wrongs he did our neighborhood?

Was I supposed to be tearful and sorrowful when a boy who mugged me at gunpoint was literally tossed 10 feet into the back of the paddywagon? Why? Did his "human dignity" demand kid glove treatment?
64 posted on 11/17/2003 1:35:41 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
You are saying I'd have been "troubled" by watching people be exiled to Persia for heresy?

Would you be troubled by that? Not an accusation. Just an honest question.

65 posted on 11/17/2003 1:36:22 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Catspaw
Personal attacks on another freeper are forbidden on this forum

Open your eyes. This thread is a PERSONAL ATTACK on all Christian homeschoolers!

If it is tolerated then the consequences should be tolertated.

Get lost, and quit speaking for Jim Rob, unless "Catspaw" is his alternate screen name.

66 posted on 11/17/2003 1:37:38 PM PST by ckca
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To: Modernman
No.
67 posted on 11/17/2003 1:38:46 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Texas_Dawg; Lazamataz
Same goes for Lazamataz.

I realize he kicks your ass every time you argue with him, but please be man enough ping him if you talk about him.

68 posted on 11/17/2003 1:39:28 PM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: ckca
Open your eyes. This thread is a PERSONAL ATTACK on all Christian homeschoolers!

That's how you may see it. This article seems to raise some interesting points. Nobody here has rebutted anything in the article nor its accusations against Christian Reconstructionism. I'd be curious to hear supporters of CR state what they believe the ideology stands for.

69 posted on 11/17/2003 1:41:10 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: ckca; Jim Robinson
Get lost, and quit speaking for Jim Rob, unless "Catspaw" is his alternate screen name.

I've pinged Mr. Robinson to this thread. But are you the new owner of the forum? When did you take over? Inquiring minds want to know.

BTW, until you prove ownership of this forum, you have as much right to tell me to "get lost" as Hillary Clinton does.

70 posted on 11/17/2003 1:41:22 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
No

Interesting. Keep in mind, though, you might find yourself on the other side of things. What if, a generation from now, this country is predominantly Hindu (stranger things have happened in human history) or majority atheist. Wouldn't you prefer to live in a society where the majority doesn't get to define what the "right" religion is?

71 posted on 11/17/2003 1:44:27 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Modernman; Jim Robinson
Christian Reconstructionism is a marginal and irrelevant and passing trend.

This thread is not about Christian Reconstructionism.

Its simply trying to impugn Christian homeschoolers.

And I welcome Jim Rob's explanation of why CP's anti-Christian screeds are tolerated and I remind you that you still do not speak for him.

And my God is still the Holy Trinity, not any Forum moderator. The "last word" on Free Republic is not, in the end, the Last Word.

72 posted on 11/17/2003 1:48:35 PM PST by ckca
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To: Precisian
Nowhere in any "Reconstructionist" literature does anyone advocate anything but complete legal, open-ballot, judicially sustained voting.

They don't advocate violent overthrow of the government, certainly. They do, however, seem to intend to radically change the country if they take over. These changes seem to involve disenfranchising anyone they consider to be "non-believers." It's Wahhabi'ism with a Calvinist flavor.

73 posted on 11/17/2003 1:48:36 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Because you realize that I am the type of person who believes muggers and theives and criminals deserve what they get.

No, I understand that you sound like the type of person who prefers to dispense with our legal system, have no problems with police absuing their authority and actually enjoy extra-judicial acts of violence.

Tell me, when the men in my neighborhood ran down a thief last year after he had stolen a bike from a local girl, were we wrong to be happy in the accomplishment,

Of course not. What a silly question.

including the bruising tackle the thief suffered at the end of the chase when we dragged him down to the pavement at the curb in the middle of an intersection?

Taking a suspect into custody is an accomplishment. Taking pleasure in the degree of physicality in doing so is not. It's closer to a pathology.

Was it wrong for us to be gleeful in watching him rightly suffer at our hands for the wrongs he did our neighborhood?

Yep.

Was I supposed to be tearful and sorrowful when a boy who mugged me at gunpoint was literally tossed 10 feet into the back of the paddywagon?

No, of course not.

Why?

See above.

Did his "human dignity" demand kid glove treatment?

Certainly not. Ignorant of the circumstances surrounding your scenario, I have no idea how he should have been treated and why a 10ft. toss was 'necessary'. Once a perp is hooked, there is precious little reason for doing so.

74 posted on 11/17/2003 1:51:31 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: ckca
I remind you that you still do not speak for him

I've never claimed anything to that effect. You must have me confused with someone else.

All I've asked for is an explanation as to what CR is and how it relates to the religious homeschooling phenomenon. Is there a connection and, if so, should we be worried about the connection?

The discussion is certainly not out of bounds. Or am I missing something?

75 posted on 11/17/2003 1:51:45 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Modernman
All I've asked for is an explanation as to what CR is and how it relates to the religious homeschooling phenomenon. Is there a connection and, if so, should we be worried about the connection?

Even if they are filling their kids head with this, I would still fight to the death for their right to do so. I don't see what people would want to do, take away their right to homeschool? What's the issue here?

76 posted on 11/17/2003 2:02:52 PM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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To: Precisian; Chancellor Palpatine
"Here's an easy refutation. Tim LaHaye is emphatically not a "Reconstructionist"."

I picked up on this, too. I'm not really up on all the Protestant pre-mill, amill, post-mill stuff, but it seems to me LaHaye perforce cannot be a Reconstructionist given his "Left Behind" series. To wit, if one thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket and one expects to be 'raptured out' at any moment; one naturally must preclude the possibility of building some Kingdom of Christ through a political system hear on earth. This kind of mistake leads me -a rather non-interested observer to this train-wreck of a thread- to the conclusion the author is either a) incompetent or b) malicious.(sp?) Either way, I'm not going to lay awake at night worrying about the Fundies under my bed. Heck, I'm Catholic, everybody hates us. -)

Certainly, though, if LaHaye is a Reconstructionist, he'd do well to keep it under his hat. Wouldn't do much for the book sales, what?

77 posted on 11/17/2003 2:06:05 PM PST by AlguyA
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To: jmc813
I don't see what people would want to do, take away their right to homeschool? What's the issue here?

I guess I'm bothered by the fact that posters on this thread who appear to be pro-CR refuse to give a straight answer as to the whole phenomenon. Instead, they've resorted to personal attacks and demanding that this thread be pulled. That's my issue.

78 posted on 11/17/2003 2:06:53 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Boxsford; Chancellor Palpatine
I've had my say.

You didn't say anything. You just made wild unsubstantitiated claims. Chancellor Palpatine has backed up his claims with facts. Why can't you?

79 posted on 11/17/2003 2:07:28 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Gary North is a religious kook.
80 posted on 11/17/2003 2:11:37 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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