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Divine Mercy in the Lord of the Rings (article by Joseph Pearce)
Friends of Mercy Newsletter - Vol. 15, No. 7 | November/December 2003 | Joseph Perace

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:47:49 AM PST by Pyro7480

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The above is a wonderful article on part of the theme behind Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Please read this carefully.
1 posted on 11/06/2003 7:47:50 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: RosieCotton; Bigg Red; fatima; NYer; Salvation; Loyalist; Aquinasfan; Coleus
Ping! (and please ping people who may be interested in reading this)
2 posted on 11/06/2003 7:49:12 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pyro7480
Two points in particular from the article that stood out for me - I'd never noticed / thought of these things before before:

"I should say," he wrote, explaining the final climatic moments on Mount Doom when the Ring is finally unmade, "that within the mode of the story [it] exemplifies (an aspect of) the familiar words: 'Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive [those who] trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.'"


As a Catholic, Tolkien knew March 25 was the date in which God had "unmade" Original Sin, which, like the Ring, has brought humanity under the sway of the Shadow. If the Ring, which is unmade at the culmination of Tolkien's Quest, is the "one ring to rule them all... and in the darkness bind them," the Fall was the "One Sin to rule them all... and in the darkness bind them." On the twenty-fifth of March the One Sin, like the One Ring, has been "unmade," destroying the power of the Dark Lord.

Very interesting article - thanks for posting it!

3 posted on 11/06/2003 8:19:58 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: jrherreid; SuziQ
Bump and ping!
4 posted on 11/06/2003 8:20:57 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Pyro7480; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
It is very comforting in the midst of these dark days that the most popular book of the twentieth century, and the most popular movie of the new century, draw their power and their glory from the light of the Gospel.

Dark days, indeed!! This production of LOTR is superlative! What a letdown there will be after Part 3 is released and been viewed. Perhaps, they will follow this with the original book The Hobbit.

5 posted on 11/06/2003 8:24:47 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: american colleen; Catholicguy; TradicalRC; Maximilian; sandyeggo; tiki; rogator; sinkspur; ...
Ping!
6 posted on 11/06/2003 8:26:40 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Sorry, I can't buy any of this. Catholics make this enormous stretch to try to justify Lord of the Rings while condemning Harry Potter.

Let's take just one issue: there is no God in the books. No mention ever of a supreme being, no reference even to life after death. What happens to these characters when they die? From a truly Catholic perspective, that is the only issue that really matters. Yet LoR ignores it entirely, even though basic consistency of plot would require some explanation of what happens to elves when they die as opposed to living forever.
7 posted on 11/06/2003 8:32:32 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Actually, a great deal of time is spent examining this issue in the appendices of Return of the King and especially in the Silmarillion. Someone else here will certainly be better equipped than I to explain Tolkien's lone god Iluvatar, the angelic Valar and Maiar, the fallen Vala Morgoth and his role as the Great Adversary, and the fate of Elves and Men.

With the possible exception of the Elves, his cosmology is quite Catholic.

8 posted on 11/06/2003 8:47:00 AM PST by jboot (Faith is not a work; swarming, however, is.)
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To: NYer
What a fantastic book and movies. My kids love both the movies and the books.

I hope they make the Hobbit also, that would be the icing on the cake.

We need more movies like this.

9 posted on 11/06/2003 8:47:47 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Maximilian
Let's take just one issue: there is no God in the books.

I disagree. This is being like the Jews and Protestants who discarded a few books from the Old Testament because of they were no longer useful. If you read the Simirilion, Tolkien's account of what happened in Middle Earth in its First and Second Ages, there is DEFINITELY a God active in the story. His name is Iluvatar, or Eru, "the One." In fact, Gandalf, in his confrontation with Balrog in the Mines of Moria, refers to himself as "the Servant of the Secret Fire." The Secret Fire is the Holy Spirit, according to Tolkien.

Tolkien himself responed defensively in an interview in 1968 to this charge. "Of course God is in The Lord of the Rings. The period was pre-Christian, but it was a monotheistic world." When the interviewers asked him who the God in the trilogy was, Tolkien said: "The one, of course! The book is about the world that God created - the actual world of this planet." Please read the third chapter of Bradley Birzers' book, J.R.R. Tolkien's Sanctifying Myth before repeating such a statement.

10 posted on 11/06/2003 8:49:03 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jboot
Ping post #10.
11 posted on 11/06/2003 8:50:00 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Corin Stormhands
ping

12 posted on 11/06/2003 8:54:47 AM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins; ecurbh; ksen
Curse you xzins for pinging me to this forum!

ecurbh: ring ping?
13 posted on 11/06/2003 9:03:22 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: Pyro7480
Another interesting point to consider is that the author does actually telegraph who Gandalf works for in one scene: the confrontation with the Balrog. In that scene, and preserved in the movie version, as Gandalf faces off against the demon, he (Gandalf) states very clearly "I am a servant of the Secret Fire and you shall not pass". Now given that Tolkien was a conservative Roman Catholic it's rather obvious Who the Secret Fire is, at least it seems so to me.
14 posted on 11/06/2003 9:04:36 AM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: Maximilian; RosieCotton; SuziQ; ksen; xzins
Catholics make this enormous stretch to try to justify Lord of the Rings while condemning Harry Potter.

That is simply incorrect. I am not Catholic, but I am a fan of both Tolkien and Potter. Not all Catholics condemn Harry Potter.

Let's take just one issue: there is no God in the books. No mention ever of a supreme being, no reference even to life after death. What happens to these characters when they die? From a truly Catholic perspective, that is the only issue that really matters. Yet LoR ignores it entirely, even though basic consistency of plot would require some explanation of what happens to elves when they die as opposed to living forever.

You need to read the books with understanding. God is all through the books, and the appendices and subsequent works by Tolkien. I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't see God in these works, you aren't paying attention.

As for the afterlife...what do you think is represented by the Grey Havens? It is most significant that "non-elves" (Frodo, Bilbo, Gimli) are invited to go on that journey. What could it mean except heaven?

And the Christlike symbolism is all through the books: Frodo the Deliverer, Gandalf the Resurrected, Aragorn the Returning King.

15 posted on 11/06/2003 9:08:35 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: ahadams2
Yep, see my post #10.
16 posted on 11/06/2003 9:10:25 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pyro7480
If you read the Simirilion, Tolkien's account of what happened in Middle Earth in its First and Second Ages, there is DEFINITELY a God active in the story.

We're not talking about the Silmarillion, we're talking about the Lord of the Rings. And in the trilogy, there is no reference to God. The Silmarillion was written later and never finished in Tolkien's lifetime.

Gandalf, in his confrontation with Balrog in the Mines of Moria, refers to himself as "the Servant of the Secret Fire." The Secret Fire is the Holy Spirit, according to Tolkien.

Sorry, I can't buy this. The only reference to God is "the secret fire"? And somehow this makes the work all Catholic? This sounds totally pagan, which would be in keeping with Tolkien's sources in Norse mythology.

When the interviewers asked him who the God in the trilogy was, Tolkien said: "The one, of course! The book is about the world that God created - the actual world of this planet."

If the world of LoR is supposed to be our world, then all the more reason to make the absence of God inexcusable. Where, by the way, are Adam and Eve in the story? What about the condemnation of poly-genism that came out during the very time that Tolkien was writing the books? This is absolutely unacceptable from a Catholic perspective.

Please read the third chapter of Bradley Birzers' book, J.R.R. Tolkien's Sanctifying Myth before repeating such a statement.

If I need to read someone else's explanation before understanding where God fits into the story, then that is just perfect confirmation of the fact that it is not there in the text. I've read others besides Joseph Pierce promoting this theory, and none of them are credible.

17 posted on 11/06/2003 9:10:36 AM PST by Maximilian
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The Secret Fire isn't the only reference to God or Christ, but it is one of the most clear. Read Corin and ahadam's responses to you too. Your rejection of what is clear, and what Tolkien made clear in LOTR is a bit surprising, coming from a "traditionalist" Catholic. You don't find the date of the destruction of the Ring, the twenty-fifth of March, as being an indication of what Tolkien was trying to do with his epic? Or is it a mere coincidence to you?
18 posted on 11/06/2003 9:16:30 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Tolkien himself responed defensively in an interview in 1968 to this charge. "Of course God is in The Lord of the Rings.

According to Jane Chance, professor of English, Medieval Studies, and Women and Gender at Rice University in Houston, Texas, and author of "Tolkien's Art" and "Lord of the Rings."

Tolkien was a Roman Catholic, close to being Tridentine in his conservative Catholicism.

The Bible As 'The Ultimate Fairy Tale' A Tolkien expert explains how for the creator of hobbits, a tree was never just a tree.

19 posted on 11/06/2003 9:16:54 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Corin Stormhands
That is simply incorrect. I am not Catholic, but I am a fan of both Tolkien and Potter. Not all Catholics condemn Harry Potter.

I suppose that one needs to be able to appreciate this sort of logic in order to understand the "Catholic" symbolism of Lord of the Rings.

You need to read the books with understanding. God is all through the books, and the appendices and subsequent works by Tolkien. I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't see God in these works, you aren't paying attention.

Your ad hominem arguments have somehow failed to convince me.

the Christlike symbolism is all through the books: Frodo the Deliverer, Gandalf the Resurrected, Aragorn the Returning King.

These could just as easily be Hindu or Zoroastrian symbols. Next I'll be hearing that "Gilgamesh" is also a Catholic work. It has a hundred times more symbolism that could be interpreted as being "Christ-like."

20 posted on 11/06/2003 9:17:39 AM PST by Maximilian
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