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To: Catholicguy
I'm not equipped to argue with this post from a historical basis, but I can on some linguistic points:

*"Lucifer" does not actually mean Satan in ancient writings. A bible passage comparing Satan with having been the brightest star (angel) in the Heavens before he fell resulted in Venus being associated with Satan, and Lucifer was the Latin name for Venus. Even in early Christian circles, the name Lucifer was invoked for enlightenment; an order of monks was even called "Luciferians."



*"Theion" is translated as meaning "God." That's just absurd. "Theion" means "Sulfur," or "Bearer of God." (Sulfur, a very unpleasant substance, was also known for its ability to purify contaminants. Hence, the bible refers to refer to the purifying suffering that happens to the disobedient when they encounter God's presence.)

*Watch for the switch in language. OTO makes a claim to include in its ranks many prominent members of other Masonic groups. The passage treats this claim as if it asserts that OTO comprises these groups. It's a wild guilt-by-association maneuver.

In reality, there is this implied assertion:
1. A Satanist was a member of OTO.
2. OTO is therefore Satanic
3. At least one person who was a member of group X was also in OTO, therefore, group X is Satanic.

Pretty weak.

That being said, Free-Masonry is a group whose beliefs are incompatible with Catholicism. Excommunication makes sense. Just as one would no longer be able to call himself a Catholic if he joined a Lutheran Church, a Free Mason is not a Catholic. Because there are many Free Masons who continued to assert that they were Catholics, the Church felt it necessary to point out that they were not. That's called "excommunication."

Now, if Rampolla was a Free-Mason, (and given the lengthiness of the article, I find the relative lack of evidence odd) then it seems apparent that he tricked Pope St. Pius X, not that Pius was anything than the vigorously anti-Mason that history records him as.
5 posted on 10/29/2003 9:37:44 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
My question was tongue-in-cheek. "Catholic Family News" is part of the axis of evil-doers opposing the Pope. They constantly assail his character because he made so-and-so a Bishop and Bishop so-and-so did thus and such, so, obviously, the Pope is a mason/heretic/modernist/enemy-of-tradition ect.

This is just asking them to face the consequences of their own weird conspiracy casuistries they constantly engage in. Using the standards they judge other Popes by, they must conclude St. Pius Xth is a Crypto-Mason.

BTW, did you use to post here under the name of Steven Hand?

8 posted on 10/29/2003 10:18:24 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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