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1 posted on 10/22/2003 10:48:03 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Nor could I understand their reasons for downplaying the importance of the sign of peace during the Mass. Windsor felt it was a terrible distraction in its place before the Eucharistic Prayer and caused people to lose their concentration.

The Peace was something that over the years I really grew to dislike. (I say "was," because my 1928 BCP church does not have it in our service.)

I seem to recall it started, sometime in the late 60s or early 70s (or perhaps just where I was), with everybody staying in place and the priest going down the aisle saying the Peace to the nearest person, and it being passed down the pew.

But in infrequent visits to (specific) churches in more recent years it has sometimes looked like chaos, at its worst the coffee hour translated into the middle of the service.

2 posted on 10/22/2003 12:10:04 PM PDT by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
She shows up 15 minutes late for the assignment for which she's getting paid. Apparently she did zero preparation. Plus she should have been at the church at least half an hour early.

I notice that it's a standard technique of British interviews to make the article more about the interviewer than about the interviewee. This seems to follow the same pattern. It's all about her, and no outside distraction can break through that perfect wall of self-absorption.

To give credit to the Latin Mass, it looks like it was just so awesome that she was forced to think about something outside herself if only for a few moments.
3 posted on 10/22/2003 12:38:08 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Someone else tells me that servers were originally seminarians: this is now impossible in most places, but men rather than women are used because there is the possibility they will become priests. “These signs require teaching, otherwise it is easy to misread them as sexism or the denigration of women”, he warns. I must be singularly wilful because I am unable to read them any other way.

When I read this sort of thing from young Europeans, I feel almost sick and am tempted to despair. The rot has gone so deep, and the ignorance is so pervasive, that one wonders how there could ever be any way back. When Europe searches around for a conservative, the best they can come up with is Taki, a guy who thinks a fun evening is drinking an enormous amount of alchohol, doing drugs and chasing women half his age. And he's on the ultra-right! Is there no one left on the continent or on the island who still comprehends, none the less supports, Christian civilization? It seems that the death of Evelyn Waugh was like the death of the last passenger pigeon.

6 posted on 10/22/2003 12:43:52 PM PDT by Maximilian
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But interest in the old rite is growing, particularly among those too young to remember it the first time around. “It is like learning a different language”, says Gilly, a woman in her 20’s who says she appreciates both the old and new rites. “There are different forms of spirituality. The old rite fosters an extremely profound spiritual sense of the Church as the Mystical Body.”

I'm one of those people too young to remember it the first time around.

Another great thing about the Tridentine mass is the absolute absence of cheesiness.

8 posted on 10/22/2003 12:53:35 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Official Scheming Diabolical Minion of the Month.)
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That is certainly the view of St Bede’s parish priest, Fr Christopher Basden, who feels the Church should be big enough and inclusive enough to keep these traditionalists inside. Were the preference for the old rite to be merely one of taste and style, I could agree, but the liturgy with its rituals have potent meanings that hark back to days gone by.

This is comparatively perceptive in her clueless way. She realizes that it's not really an aesthetic issue, despite what Avery Dulles and the ex-Episopalian might believe. The aesthetic issue is an important one, but much more significant is the "potent meanings" that she points out. Even more important is the ontological reality of the one rite versus the other, an issue which she apparently didn't find time to grapple with.

9 posted on 10/22/2003 12:54:58 PM PDT by Maximilian
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She was right on target in the opening lines of her 4th paragraph. She is clueless.
21 posted on 10/22/2003 4:03:59 PM PDT by sydney smith
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; ...
England, like most of Europe, is essentially pagan. How sad.
24 posted on 10/22/2003 6:00:11 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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But interest in the old rite is growing, particularly among those too young to remember it the first time around. “It is like learning a different language”, says Gilly, a woman in her 20’s who says she appreciates both the old and new rites. “There are different forms of spirituality. The old rite fosters an extremely profound spiritual sense of the Church as the Mystical Body.”

I would fit into this catagory also (22 yrs old). The main reason I like this Mass is that it shows the Mass as it is, a sacrifice and not as a celebration of community. I also would have to say that I feel the same as this woman who said:

“The priest is facing God and we are facing east, which is traditional. When the priest faces the people he is turning away from God. The old rite is God-centred rather than people-centred”,

The action of priest and congregation both facing Christ in the Eucharist is the best way of forming 'community.' I can't explain the awesome feeling I have during the consecration, knowing that a miracle is happening right before my eyes and we are all united as one with Christ as the object of our piety, respect and admiration. All eyes are glued on the host as the priest consecrates it and it miraculously becomes the body of Christ, soul and divinity! It sure is a lot better than strumming the guitar and playing Patridge Family style music as the communion hymn!

27 posted on 10/22/2003 8:28:02 PM PDT by EsclavoDeCristo (You Say You're Catholic, Well, LIVE IT!)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Then the priest stands up and makes some announcements before delivering the sermon. It is the first and only time I hear him speak in English during the Mass.

??? In which language did he deliver the sermon ???

28 posted on 10/22/2003 9:00:26 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The priest quotes the Athanasian Creed and St Augustine.

I'm 41 and have never heard the Athanasian Creed quoted in a homily. I can't remember ever hearing St. Augustine's name. (My fellow Catholic co-worker: "What did St. Augustine do?") Sad.

33 posted on 10/23/2003 4:26:17 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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