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To: FloridaBoy
When the law is clearly wrong, and a woman who can not speak for herself is being killed with the blessings of the state, what is the purpose of an AG? He could have initiated an investigation into the bias of Judge Greer. So much is wrong with this case. Terri's husband spent her rehabilitation money on an attorney to push to kill her. Doctors who want to testify that Terri could improve with rehabilitation, perhaps enough to speak, who question x-rays that show severe trauma to Terri's body, combined with the testimony from nurses afraid of Michael Schiavo who were afraid to come forward sooner - none allowed to testify on Terri's behalf.

If there is any doubt as to whether Terri would want this (and there is EVERY doubt except for the word of a husband seeking to end her life, who already petitioned to have her body cremated immediately upon the end of her death by slow (and painful!) starvation), how can ANY human being claim that the Constitution was meant to permit this!

You know condemned mass-murderers and endangered species have more rights than this disabled, innocent woman who can not speak for herself.

This is not justice. This is pandering to the death-cult press who promoted Felos's right-to-kill agenda and changed the hearts of an unthinking Florida population.

Where's the justice for the innocent? Where's the compassion for a family who asks only to be able to care for the daughter and sister they love? They are being condemned by our press and those "leaders" annoyed with this case.

They know Terri. They want to save her life. How terrible!

Shame on AG Crist, Gov. Bush, Felos, Greer, Schiavo the St. Pete Times, the Suncoast Hospice and all involved in this sorry and inhumane scandal.

8 posted on 10/05/2003 8:48:59 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("This isn't a game." <> "This is our lives." ~ Iraqi victim of Saddam to war critics who say "QUIT")
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
THis Judge Crist spounts about the "right" of disable people to cause themeslves to die by refusing life support measures. In this case, that's like NAMBLA talking about the "right" of children to have sex. Tnat may sound harsh, but the "rights" they are both talking about are really the rights of some to torment or kill others. Same thing with the "rights" of women to kill the unborn.

I totally agree that if someone is being kept in their body by means of heart machine, respirator, etc and wants to let nature take its course and get unplugged. If I am ever in a situation like that, I will make the same choice. Especially if very old - for instance, my old grandmother was kept artificially alive through lots of machinery, and the doctors should have let nature take its course. She was 95, and the life they left her was horrible.

But that is completely, 100% different from this situation. The death-lovers are trying to lump different categories together that don't belong together.

Terri has the right to live. Saying she has the right to die is doublespeak. They just want to have the right to kill her.
9 posted on 10/05/2003 9:00:26 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I would add that people who stick up for Jeb, etc. should check out what his office under the auspices of Lauren O'Connor sent out on Sept. 30th. She works for Jeb's Office of Citizens Services who upon being able to contact her by voice basically intimated that although her name is on the e-mail that was sent out and that it was sent out and received as coming from Governor Jeb Bush's own official e-mail that in her words "she collaborates with Jeb's legal team". When asked to speak to someone on that legal team she checked and came back saying to send an e-mail to jeb@myflorida.com and that my particular e-mail would be personally addressed and I verified that it would not be in a form letter. She basically gave me her word that my e-mail would receive a response in regards to my complaint, concerns and issues raised. We shall see if Jeb has any integrity.

Here is my letter. Note that I added the info. about Pinellas Pasco Sheriff Rice being contacted by Patricia Anderson and that the assertion that the Pinellas Pasco Sheriff's Office had not been contacted as to abuse, etc. is a lie. I will fax or e-mail this ammended letter to Jeb's Office on Monday and contact Lauren O'Conner to let her know. If you have any other items for me to add I would beseech you to contact me ASAP:

From: Juan Schoch - juan.schoch@XXXXXXXXX.com
To: jeb@myflorida.com
10/03/2003 03:48 PM
Subject: Complaint re: Sept. 30th Terri Schiavo Update coming from your office in your name

The following e-mail was received by me at a different e-mail address (I have the original e-mail) from your e-mail address with the message body indicating that it was coming from the Office of Citizens Services, one Lauren O'Connor. I spoke with Lauren and she indicates that although her name is in the e-mail message body as coming from her she (or your Office of Citizens Services) collaborates with your legal team. I am very concerned about the e-mail in that it was sent out on Sept. 30th and is false to facts and is in no way an "Update" on the Terri Schindler Schiavo case as the subject indicated -> Terri Schiavo Update. Where is the accountability? Whatever is coming out of your office should not be false to facts. Included here is the message body of the e-mail and I will comment as to what I take exception to and I would ask you to help me understand why this was sent out on Sept. 30th. If you are really concerned about the welfare of Terri Schiavo then please help me understand why this is coming out of your office at this time with false to facts statements not only being sent out to Florida residents but over State lines to other States in our United States of America (might I also add the world). Lauren indicated that I will not receive a form letter in response to this e-mail and that I can expect an e-mail back addressing the issues of which I take exception and any other concerns raised:

begin message body
Thank you for your e-mail expressing concern for the well being of Theresa Schiavo. The Governor also is concerned for her and for her family and is keeping them all in his prayers. The case represents a tragic situation of family disagreement under very trying circumstances.

This office has made several inquiries with agencies responsible for investigating abuse allegations. Neither the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office nor local law enforcement agencies have received or investigated any reports of abuse of Mrs. Schiavo. The office of the state attorney for the Sixth Judicial Circuit, Bernie McCabe, reviewed the matter and found no basis for any criminal investigation.

In keeping with Florida law, our court system oversees the well being of incapacitated adults, including the oversight of guardians and their activities. A Florida court appointed Mr. Michael Schiavo as his wife's guardian more than 12 years ago. In this role, he has been under the supervision of the probate division of the state court system. Critical decisions related to guardianship, including the decision to terminate life support, must be approved by the court. Mr. Schiavo obtained such a court order to remove his wife's feeding tube. Mrs. Schiavo's parents have appealed that order, and the court has postponed the removal of her feeding tube until the Florida Supreme Court reviews the case.

In Florida, these matters are entrusted to the system that our elected officials established to protect incapacitated adults. We must respect that system and trust the judge will listen to the views of all interested family members before reaching a decision in the best interest of Mrs. Schiavo.

It is never easy to make a life-and-death decision for a loved one. Under Florida law, residents can indicate in advance how they want to be cared for should they become unable to express their wishes. The Governor supports the use of advance directives or living wills. These tools ensure Floridians will be cared for in the manner of their own choosing and save their families the anguish of having to make these decisions for them.

For more information on advance directives, please visit these websites:

Aging With Dignity -- Five Wishes Advanced Directive <"agingwithdignity.org/>

American Bar Association Commission on Law and Aging <"www.abanet.org/aging/toolkit/home.html>

Sincerely,

Lauren O'Connor Office of Citizens' Services
end message body

What I take exception to is contained in the following as it is false to facts and is nothing more than misrepresentation. See my comments in between the brackets:

Neither the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office nor local law enforcement agencies have received or investigated any reports of abuse of Mrs. Schiavo.

[From Affidavit of Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq. dated September 8th, 2003.

17. On Sunday morning, August 31, 2003, still concerned about the ward's condition, I spoke with Everett Rice, Sheriff of Pinellas County, about the events described above and e-mailed him copies of the affidavits from the caregivers described in Paragraph 3 above. I asked him to take whatever action, as the county's chief law enforcement officer, he felt was appropriate under the circumstances.]

Critical decisions related to guardianship, including the decision to terminate life support, must be approved by the court. Mr. Schiavo obtained such a court order to remove his wife's feeding tube. Mrs. Schiavo's parents have appealed that order, and the court has postponed the removal of her feeding tube until the Florida Supreme Court reviews the case.

[Fact: On Sept. 30th the court had not postponed the removal of Terri's feeding tube and the Florida Supreme Court was not reviewing the case. On Sept. 11th (after the Florida Supreme Court shirked their responsibility to a conscious (read: not PVS) resident of Florida in which an attempt is being made on her life (by terminating her feeding and hydration) by a "husband" who has nothing more than criminal intentions and not Terri's best interests at heart. Witness affidavits which are now in Federal and State court records by a nurse/nurses assistants, or caregivers etc. who were themselves prompted to come forward after your fax letter sent to Judge Greer became known in the press. Pasco Pinellas County Judge George Greer on Sept. 11th deferred ruling on termination of feeding and hydration until the next week at which time he basically issued Terri's death warrant. It was obvious that Judge Greer postponed ruling in the case because of the showing that day of people who are concerned about Terri's well-being. I was one of those people. I drove all the way from Orlando to Clearwater to be a witness to so-called justice. He gave the appearance that justice would be served by deferring the ruling and acknowledging that Terri is a human being. The affidavits were entered into the record at that time by Attorney Patricia Anderson. Also in the court records is information which was entered into court records (before Sept. 11) asking Greer to step down because of impropriety in the case, basically showing that Greer was biased in the case and actually broke the law by talking about the case to other people (including the press in which he was talking about decisions he was going to be making in the case) without attorneys from both parties being present. He spoke to the Sheriff of Pinellas Pasco County Sheriff Rice at a baseball game indicating his displeasure (opposite from what he indicated to the press and also in which he illegally stated that he is not inclined to appoint a guardian ad litem) at receiving your communication that he should appoint a guardian ad litem in the case and err on the side of life. Also Sheriff Rice after talking to Greer (after his slip of passing this information to Anderson) was influenced by Greer or took it upon himself to call Patricia Anderson back and lie about the fact that Greer spoke to him and told him about his displeasure at a baseball game and that it was the other way around - that Sheriff Rice was the one who voiced his displeasure. This is a bald face lie and considering the facts of the matter he tried to cover up that Greer actually was breaking the law by speaking to others without both parties being present and that he had passed this information unthinkingly to Patricia Anderson who had contacted him in regards to the matter of that contained in the affidavits from the nurses, etc.. Even after this fact Greer refused to step down from the case and consequently proceeded to issue Terri's death warrant even in light of all the information anent the criminal actions, words, intentions of Michael Schiavo. How are you going to explain this away? Where is the accountability? You as a state actor were basically Terri's guardian and so was Judge Greer who allowed another guardian (who has criminal intents) to get the courts (through deceit) to issue Terri's termination of feeding and hydration order based solely on hearsay evidence and even after the fact of a malpractice lawsuit (Nov. 1992) in which Terri's rehabilitation was promised. After Michael received the money he issued a Do Not Resuscitate order in regards to Terri. Again I ask how are you going to explain this away? The issue is not going to go away and you shouldn't be sending out false information regarding this case under color of an "Terri Schiavo Update" on Sept. 30. Can you understand my outrage as a resident of Florida and a United States Citizen that this is happening on the various levels of our government and also what is coming out of your office? Where is the accountability and what are you doing about it? Terri deserves to live and she deserves the rehabilitation she was promised. Why was the information sent out on Sept. 30th not indicating that Judge George Greer issued his final order of Terri's termination of hydration and feeding to commence on Oct. 15th, etc. and that the matter is now at the Federal level under the jurisdiction of Judge Richard Lazzara of which a hearing is to occur on Oct. 10th? This is absolutely Terri's last chance to receive justice in this matter and if you are really concerned about justice and Terri's well-being then why is false information being sent out from your office? Terri did not have the opportunity of having a living will and was criminally denied her right to life via hearsay evidence by the State of Florida. She was promised rehabilitation and she deserves that rehabilitation. I am awaiting the promised personal response from you anent my concerns.

P.S. I would also like to know why the buck was being passed around when I tried to contact your office and was told that there was nothing that you could do about Terri's situation. I was then patched to the Attorney Generals Office upon request and was told that they could not do anything unless you ordered it and that it was a judicial matter, etc. This was a day before your fax letter to Judge Greer. Where is the break down? Also why cannot you convene a special session anent Terri's situation to change the law concerning 'exit protocols', etc. and people who have criminal intentions as guardians (who should not be guardians) esp. when those intentions come to light, etc.?]

Juan Schoch
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10 posted on 10/05/2003 9:27:39 AM PDT by pc93 (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I think you're are respectfully, missing the point. If Crist stays NEUTRAL at this time, that leaves him able to prosecute negligent parties later on. Sarah Foster has mischaracterized what is happening here in Florida.

I still believe that there's a chance for a special session but now right now. After the Federal Jury Trial and after all the evidence is on the table Jeb Bush could call one. Jeb is being NEUTRAL right now as is Crist. There may be a very good reason for it but I'm not in Tallahassee so I don't know. We should not turn on our leaders because they are NEUTRAL at this moment.

17 posted on 10/05/2003 11:33:00 AM PDT by freeparoundtheclock (conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
When the law is clearly wrong, the legislature needs to revisit that law. That's why it's important for people to find out what District they live in and call their LOCAL LEGISLATOR.

Charlie Crist cannot change the law as AG.

Your District can be found easily if you do a google search under Florida Election Precincts. PLEASE CALL YOUR LOCAL FLA LEGISLATOR!!!!

18 posted on 10/05/2003 11:38:10 AM PDT by freeparoundtheclock (conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You know, I wonder if the "suspicious" way Terri suddenly collapsed was ever fully or properly investigated. It occurs to me that Michael Schiavo could well have initiated this "tragedy" right from the beginning. Did it ever occur to anyone here that he may have tried to kill her years ago and it failed. He is simply trying to finish the job. It's absolutely appalling to me to read what is going on in this case. I emailed Jeb Bush also and I was frankly disappointed with the issue evasive canned reply.!! May God Almighty step in and save Terri. This is Court and State Sanctioned Murder in my opinion.
44 posted on 10/05/2003 4:43:44 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You offered, "If there is any doubt as to whether Terri would want this ..." Lady, there is every reason to believe Michael Schiavo represented the exact opposite desire of Terri, when he sued and testified in court that he was seeking malpractice compensation in order to take care of Terri 'for the rest of her life'. What is evident is, Judge Greer is a corrupt judge who has ignored and purposely suppressed any and all data that would prevent him from making his favorable rulings supporting Michael's false wishes against Terri's right to LIFE. Let's look more closely at that assertion, because it is a serious accusation.

1) Michael Schiavo won a malpractice suit against Terri's Ob/Gyn, pleading he needed massive amounts of money to care for Terri for the rest of her life. That is clear evidence of prior disposition of Terri's wishes and Michael's sworn intentions toward Terri. Judge Greer has preniciously ignored that evidence in order to rule for the state authorized execution of Terri by starvation/dehydration.

2) Michael Schiavo, having avowed his intentions to care for Terri for the rest of her life and pleading he needed massive amounts of cash to do that for the long duration, petitioned Judge Greer to allow him (Michael) to drain Terri's trust funds set aside for her rehabilitation ($750,000, untouched to pay for any rehabilitation efforts toward Terri's welfare). Judge Greer grants that petition and seals the ruling, to prevent public discovery of his illegal/unjust ruling.

3) Michael Schiavo petitioned the court, to be appointed as Terri's Guardian ad litum after removing Pease from that position. Judge Greer granted that request and has upheld that grant, disregarding Michael's gross conflicts of interest (such as Michael cohabiting with another woman with whom he has sired one child and has another 'on the way', all while remining legally married to Terri; such as Michael remaining the sole inheritor of any funds left in Terri's name when the 'death' occurs), and in fact SUPPRESSING any evidence (such as caregiver nurse testimony and physical evidence of previous abuse and Michael's forced isolation of Terri) that would call Michael's fitness into question!

4) Judge Greer has consciously/willfully failed in his judicial responsibility to hold Michael Schiavo to the same minimal standards of reporting to the court regarding the disposition of the disabled person's care, maintenance, and financial records. This simple failure amounts to Judge Greer failing in his guardianship responsibility as required of him by Florida law since he has responsiblity of OVERSIGHT!

5) There are tenuous (so far) connections between Judge Greer and Atty George Felos, the attoney whom Greer favored unjustly by granting Michael Schiavo the right to raid Terri's rehab funds in order to pay George Felos in his efforts representing MICHAEL seeking to execute Terri via dehydration and starvation!

Those are but five points of injustice this ol' non-lawyer, common man can see glaring blatantly but apparently ignored by Atty Gen Crist and the legal system in Florida. I ask, 'Who the hell has oversight responsibiulity for the unjust judges in the state of Flordia?... If it is not the responsibility of someone to maintain a minimum of justice in Flordia, who under God's sky would want to live in such a lawless state run by such a feckless elected administration?'

63 posted on 10/06/2003 8:19:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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