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Schwarzenegger Admired Hitler, Book Proposal Says
The New York Times ^ | 10/03/03 | ADAM NAGOURNEY and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 10/02/2003 8:01:30 PM PDT by Pokey78

A film producer who chronicled Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to fame as a champion bodybuilder in the 1970's circulated a book proposal six years ago that quoted the young Mr. Schwarzenegger expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler.

The book proposal by the producer, George Butler, included what were presented as verbatim excerpts from interviews conducted with Mr. Schwarzenegger in the filming of the documentary "Pumping Iron." In a part of the interview not used in the film, Mr. Schwarzenegger was asked to name his heroes — "who do you admire most."

"It depends for what," Mr. Schwarzenegger said, according to the transcript contained in the book proposal. "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."

In addition to the transcript, Mr. Butler wrote in his book proposal that in the 1970's, he considered Mr. Schwarzenegger a "flagrant, outspoken admirer of Hitler." In the proposal, Mr. Butler also said he had witnessed Mr. Schwarzenegger playing "Nazi marching songs from long-playing records in his collection at home" and said that the actor "frequently clicked his heels and pretended to be an S.S. officer."

Mr. Schwarzenegger, in a telephone interview on Thursday, said that he did not recall making any of the comments attributed to him, or engaging in any of the behavior described by Mr. Butler.

"Let you tell you something: it's one of those things that if you come from that background, you get accused a lot of times of being that, of being a Nazi," said Mr. Schwarzenegger, who grew up in Austria, and whose father was a Nazi.

"So you know, I despise anything that Hitler stands for, anything he has done, hated the Nazism, hated what was done during the second World War" he continued. Mr. Schwarzenegger said that he did consider Hitler to be "a great public speaker," but that he was someone who had used his talent "for something negative."

In an interview Wednesday at his Upper East Side home, Mr. Butler stood by his recollection of a young Mr. Schwarzenegger playing Nazi marches and mimicking an S.S. officer. But he described them as passing behavior of an immature young man who had quickly grown up. And he said the comments were the product of the body-building culture of the 1970's. "It is the wackiest, zaniest, silliest, strangest world on earth," he said.

The exchange from "Pumping Iron" that was contained in the book proposal was confirmed on Thursday by Peter Davis, a consultant to the documentary project who conducted the interviews of Mr. Schwarzenegger for the film, which chronicled and helped popularize the body-building culture. But Mr. Davis, who is also a documentary producer, suggested that the excerpt had been taken out of context in Mr. Butler's proposal, and that Mr. Schwarzenegger had gone on to say that he had changed his views on Hitler as he grew up in Austria.

"He went right on to say, basically, as soon as he woke up, his hero became John F. Kennedy and he was shaking his head at himself," Mr. Davis said.

A copy of the proposal for the book, which would have been entitled "The Master Plan," was provided to the New York Times on Tuesday by someone who has no obvious affiliation with any of the California campaigns. The person provided the copy on the condition that his identity be kept secret and would not explain the motivation for releasing it. But the person was aware that the disclosure, coming within days of the California recall election, could damage Mr. Schwarzenegger's campaign.

Mr. Butler, widely viewed as an expert on Mr. Schwarzenegger's career, confirmed the authenticity of the document, which he described as very tightly held, in an hourlong interview at his home on Wednesday.

Mr. Butler sold his proposal to St. Martin's Press for $500,000, but he said he decided not to write it, saying his research did not bear out his initial views of Mr. Schwarzenegger. He said that St. Martin's paid him $200,000 of the advance and that he had returned $100,000.

Mr. Schwarzenegger said Thursday that he purchased the rights to "Pumping Iron" in the early 1990's, a deal that resulted in his taking possession of all the film and outtakes.

Mr. Schwarzenegger said Thursday he was prepared to release outtakes to the public, though he said he was not certain where they were.

"I don't know if I have them now," he said. "If I find them, I would."

Mr. Butler said that he no longer had copies of the film or the outtakes. Asked if he had still had copies of the transcripts, which are routinely prepared in the preparation of documentaries, he said he might have them at his home in New Hampshire. "I may have some things and we are doing a real search in New Hampshire," he said. "There's a big cellar and there's a lot of stuff and it's been flooded down there and I'm not sure whether I do or I don't."

Mr. Butler and Mr. Schwarzenegger described their relationship as cordial. Several of Mr. Butler's associates said his career had been launched by his affiliation with Mr. Schwarzenegger. From the early 1970's, Mr. Butler predicted to associates that Mr. Schwarzenegger would become famous.

In the transcript, according to the Butler book proposal, Mr. Schwarzenegger said he wished he could experience the adulation of being a speaker at a huge political rally.

"The feeling like Kennedy had, you know, to speak to maybe 50,000 people at one time and having them cheer, or like Hitler in the Nuremberg Stadium," he said, the transcript shows. "And have all those people scream at you and just being in total agreement with whatever you say."

Mr. Schwarzenegger has gone to great lengths during this campaign to erase any suggestion that he has had ties to Nazi Germany, a charge he has encountered repeatedly in his public career. In 1993, in fact, Mr. Schwarzenegger was awarded damages in a libel suit in London against a British journalist who wrote several years earlier that the actor held Nazi views and admired Hitler.

Mr. Butler said that he distributed the proposal for the book, "The Master Plan," to six New York publishers in 1997, and that all rejected it. He said that his agent, Peter Matson, negotiated to sell it to St. Martin's.

In an interview, Mr. Matson confirmed that Mr. Butler, in pitching the proposal, had detailed Mr. Schwarzenegger's comments on Hitler.

Two editors who worked on the project in 1975, Geof Bartz and Larry Silk, said in interviews on Thursday that they did not recall the exchange that Mr. Butler included in his book proposal. But later in the day, after being told of Mr. Davis' recollection, Mr. Bartz said he had spoken to Mr. Silk about the remarks, and was no longer certain of his recollection.

"I thought the quote did sound like it came from a transcript, and we talked about whether we had forgotten it or cleaned it up somehow," he said. "And we realized we couldn't be completely sure."

A spokesman for St. Martin's said it canceled plans for the book because Mr. Butler failed to complete it. Mr. Butler said he backed out on his own.

"I just found that there was a lot of loose ends, and eventually — I'm a serious filmmaker, I care about my reputation," he said. "I want to always have it straight. I just felt uncomfortable writing this book and that's why I didn't do it."

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: hitler; nazi; recall; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 10/02/2003 8:01:31 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Its all about money. Someone wants to make a fast buck off another person's reputation. HURL ALERT!
2 posted on 10/02/2003 8:03:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: All

God Bless Those
who Protect our Liberty


Past, Present
and Future.

Please visit the FR Fundraiser

3 posted on 10/02/2003 8:04:27 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Pokey78
Democrats are getting pretty desperate. They are pulling out the "Hitler-Card."
4 posted on 10/02/2003 8:05:11 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Pro Life! Pro Family! Pro Reagan!)
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To: Reagan79
Yeah... you're NOT a liberal if you're a Republican. You're a Nazi whether that's figurative or literal. In this case the Democrats claim Arnold is no liberal cause he loves Hitler.
5 posted on 10/02/2003 8:06:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pokey78
But wait! There's more... to come.
6 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Reagan79
I remember quite well the Bush crowd in 92' pulling the same "card" when Buchanan was challenging Bush and doing quite well in the early primaries...
7 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:36 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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To: Carry_Okie
Drip... drip... drip... there's more tomorrow afternoon, you can be sure of it.
8 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Reagan79
Democrats are getting pretty desperate. They are pulling out the "Hitler-Card."

But Arnold Schwarzenfuhrer made it easy for them, didn't he?

9 posted on 10/02/2003 8:10:02 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (McClintock true conservatism would not only win, it would win in a landslide)
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To: Kevin Curry
Maybe- Maybe not.
10 posted on 10/02/2003 8:11:00 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: Pokey78
Let's see.....Democrats go to Iraq and lolly around with Saddam.....Democrats go to Castro and dine with him.....but Arnold MAY have SAID something years ago.....and....???
11 posted on 10/02/2003 8:11:33 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Free People are NOT Equal; EQUAL People are NOT FREE.)
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To: Pokey78
This just in...."Arnold Schwarzenegger picked his nose when he was 11. News at 10"

He said he was sorry.
12 posted on 10/02/2003 8:13:40 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Pokey78

So we have a producer, Butler, and a consultant, Davis, who recall Schwarzenegger's Hitler statements. We have editors Bartz and Silk who don't recall the interview, but aren't sure. We have an account from Matxon, Butler's agent, that Butler was pitching the Hitler interview in his book deal.

Butler may or may not have a transcript. Schwarzenegger may or may not have film.

And Schwarzenegger doesn't remember if he made the comments which Butler attributed to him.

This is a mess that won't be resolved over the weekend.

On top of all of this, the charge is old and Schwarzenegger has done work with the Simon Weisenthal Center, and has had his own father's Nazi past investigated.

I have no clue as to what, if any, effect this will have next Tuesday.

13 posted on 10/02/2003 8:16:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60.
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To: Pokey78
So, Gray Davis admires Larry Flynt and Ted Kennedy.
14 posted on 10/02/2003 8:17:15 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Pokey78
The DemocRats admire Hitler's propaganda abilities. They copy them to the "T".

Speaking of Hitler made me visualize the Hildebeast with dark hair and a Hitler moustache. OMG, SHE IS HITLER'S DAUGHTER!

Quick! Anyone got Photoshop who cna co a bit of alteration?
15 posted on 10/02/2003 8:17:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Pokey78; ALOHA RONNIE; rodeo-mamma
HIllary Diane "The Divine One" Clinton
is the one who admires Hitler.

It's so obvious that the Clinton's are desperate to stop Governor Arnold and they are enlisting their Elitist-Comrades in the media to stop the People of California from saving the USA from President Hillary!

Pray, America.
Pray for VICTORY on October 7th.

16 posted on 10/02/2003 8:18:38 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: Pokey78
Arnold denies admiring women and groping Hitler --- more to follow...
17 posted on 10/02/2003 8:19:13 PM PDT by mikrofon
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To: mikrofon
LOL! "...admiring women and groping Hitler..."

Name this movie and win a cookie:

"So, what do we do now?"

"We, rape the horses!"

(cheers) "Yeah, rape the horses!"

"And, uh, steal the women!"

(cheers) "Steal the women!"

"And, uh, prune the hedges!"

(cheers) "We prune...HEY!"
18 posted on 10/02/2003 8:28:06 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Joy Angela
You know....after Oct 7th....when Arnold thinks the Clinton's might be finally heading to the HASBEENS file...(I can dream, can't I?)
19 posted on 10/02/2003 8:29:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Free People are NOT Equal; EQUAL People are NOT FREE.)
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To: goodnesswins; ALOHA RONNIE
The Clintons will become more vile
and dangerous if Arnold wins.

When you listen to Bill and Hillary Clinton
speak, you can hear the underlying message that
this is WAR and that the good-people of America
are the Enemy.

Good VS Evil.

America VS The Clintons.

20 posted on 10/02/2003 8:33:04 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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