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THE LEAK "SCANDAL"
National Review Online - "The Corner" ^ | 09/30/2003 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/30/2003 8:11:11 AM PDT by mattdono

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To: MattAMiller
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Novak said it wasn't anybody in the Whitehouse? Why? Why? Why?

Because, because, because, he has no credibility unless he reveals the source.

21 posted on 09/30/2003 9:03:07 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: goodnesswins
right keep the rats busy with this so we can move on and bring em on!

Right now every liberal in this country has a hard on over thi. Usually when they get involved with something like this our man the Bush pulls off a doozy. I suspect we will invade Syria and blind side the communist liberals.

We have to make sure Bush gets in in 04, cause every liberal I have talked to said they are leaving this country if Bush is re-elected. Not only will we get their jobs, but we will have our country back 100%. I cant wait

of course they could be lieing and not really leave. Now that would stink. Do you think liberals lie?
22 posted on 09/30/2003 9:04:21 AM PDT by hapy
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To: blackdog
Good point. I think that it, however, points to the absurdity of the accusations.
23 posted on 09/30/2003 9:06:34 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: .cnI redruM
Gergan has sleaze written all over him.
24 posted on 09/30/2003 9:07:28 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: princess leah
"So, I wondered if this whole business was somehow picked to hit the media because they (Clintons) knew this arrest was going down and wanted that hidden behind this other, bigger matter of national importance!"

Several FR posters have expressed similar thoughts.
25 posted on 09/30/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Protagoras
Would this be a big deal to Freepers if it was a Clinton in office when it happened. That is the acid test

Well, I don't think that is the acid test. I refuse to use the "Clinton" administration as the yardstick to compare any administration too.

The fact that the person who wrote the story, Robert Novak, said he didn't get the name from administration officials. The CIA acknowledge the woman's employment, first and the administration officials knew that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA...THAT'S IT!

That is the extent of the acknowlegement by anyone in the admininstration...that they knew Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Novak didn't get the name from the administration officials, but, rather, that they knew she worked at CIA.

26 posted on 09/30/2003 9:11:30 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: mattdono
The facts don't matter to my point. My point is simply that "scandal" is in parentheses because the author doesn't think it's a scandal. I'm guessing many Freepers also do not. I for one don't.

However, if the precise same thing happened in a Clinton administration I'm also guessing that many Freepers and the author would be screaming bloody murder.

Who ox is being gored? (No pun intended)

27 posted on 09/30/2003 9:19:34 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: mattdono
Wilson's wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already.

If someone works at the CIA (other than agent) it is NO SECRET at all. When I lived in DC I often met people who freely told me they worked at the CIA. They just couldn't tell me what their specific jobs were but there was NO PROBLEM about them telling me that they worked at the CIA.

28 posted on 09/30/2003 9:21:29 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: Protagoras
Would this be a big deal to Freepers if it was a Clinton in office when it happened. That is the acid test.

Well, having Schumer say that the Attorney General cannot be trusted with this is a howler. During the last administration Freepers were very busy having strokes over Janet Reno's refusal to name a special counsel over things like People's Liberation Army funding of and influence over the President, not to mention Carville, Blumenthal, the Pentagon and even Larry Flynt smearing everyone in sight. Would a leak about a CIA employee register even a 3.5 on the Freeper scale? Hard to know. But the motive for this alleged disclosure is so vague and confused. One never had to scratch one's head with Clinton outings. "Destroy this individual now" was the clear message. Who the heck cares about this Bozo's wife, anyway? How did it destroy him? He's a bigger windbag than ever. As a deterrent? It makes no logical sense. Her status has risen immeasurably in their circle of friends.

29 posted on 09/30/2003 9:25:29 AM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: Protagoras
Well, I see your point and you are probably right, but only to some degree.

We FREEPERs, while very passionate, still have the ability to look at facts. And, the facts, ihis situation, simply don't support the reaction that is being caused by the demoCREEPs.

FREEPER pricess leah has a very good take on why this is an issue: bascially, it is a "red herring". A diversion so that the story about Hillary's donors being a big Hamas supporter isn't in the mainstream media.

30 posted on 09/30/2003 9:26:01 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: mtbopfuyn
Once would be nice. He didn't say that. He said that they didn't call him to leak the information. But he does say that his sources were "senior administration officials" who gave him the info. His "denial" is simply that they didn't contact him to give him the info - they volunteered it in conversation about the Wilson matter.
31 posted on 09/30/2003 9:28:42 AM PDT by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: hapy
"Do you think liberals lie?"

LOL.....does the sun rise every morning in the East?

32 posted on 09/30/2003 9:37:08 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Looking for a Shrugged Atlas.)
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To: mattdono
Question for all you Freepers more intelligent than me. (That's almost all of y'all!)

How is leaking the fact that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative considered a punishment against Wilson for speaking against the alleged attempt by Iraq to buy uranium ore from Niger? Is it simply embarrassing to a Liberal to have it known that his wife works for the Leftist-hated CIA?
33 posted on 09/30/2003 9:38:12 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: mtbopfuyn
How many more thousand times does Novak have to state the info did NOT come from the White House?

It doesn't matter how many times he says it. That's not what the 'Rats want to hear. They will repeat a lie as many times as it takes until it starts to sound like the truth. SOP.

34 posted on 09/30/2003 9:43:25 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Yo-Yo
Well... the claim is that when a covert operative's cover is blown they are in danger of being killed. They certainly cannot continue to work in that capacity. There is also the potential of compromising their contacts.

If she really was as 'deep cover' as the CIA is claiming then it is a valid objection. If she was working for the CIA while her husband was acting ambassador to Iraq prior to the first Gulf War... and in the field of WMD. Then yeah... that is a big deal.
35 posted on 09/30/2003 9:45:58 AM PDT by Khaibit
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To: mattdono
Hah!

Today, Mrs. Hillary Wilson is being referred to as a CIA "specialist". This could mean she makes the coffee for the office every morning.

Quite a demotion from yesterday's hysteria that she was a "secret agent", a "covert operative" and "handled weapons of mass destruction" issues.

Fox has also toned down its histrionics of yesterday when Shep Smith, John Gibson, etal. were hyping this story so wildly that one would think that our President had set the White House on fire.

Leni

36 posted on 09/30/2003 9:46:36 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: mtbopfuyn
I don't know that Novak HAS said it didn't come from the White House. He said the White House didn't call him up to leak it... but that isn't the same thing. He has also said several times that it came from 'senior administration officials'... so if not the White House then what? The CIA? Pentagon? It doesn't much matter really. Novak says it was people high up in Bush's administration... do you think people will really care where they work?
37 posted on 09/30/2003 9:48:44 AM PDT by Khaibit
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To: Khaibit
What extra security measures did this guy take after she was outed? Did he go into hiding with her? No! He is making the parade around NPR and every TV network that will air him. Did the Pentagon's release of Linda Tripp's personal info get this scrutiny from the press? Did threats of personal injury to Kathleen Wiley?
38 posted on 09/30/2003 9:58:50 AM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: Angelus Errare
Tempest in a teapot ping.
39 posted on 09/30/2003 10:06:19 AM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Starrgaizr
This story is really pissing me off today. Time to give Bush another $50. The radio here has been planting "seeds" all day long. "Its a criminal investigation aimed right at the heart of Bush officials.." then break to another story.

This headline tactic is so infuriating. Knowing that average Americans will not follow up on this story they just want to change minds with misleading headlines. I wish FOXNEWS would run a 24 hour special on how Clarke and Dean were allegedly seen standing near a man allegedly involved in a gay-bashing murder after the last debate. Just run the headline "Dean & Clarke Homosexual Murder" followed later by "Clarke, Dean Gay Murder Allegations On Rise".

Who cares what truth is anymore?

40 posted on 09/30/2003 10:07:40 AM PDT by Naspino
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