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Clinton's Nuclear Legacy - US chips for Chinese Nukes
www.newsmax.com ^ | Sept. 29, 2003 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 09/29/2003 12:53:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 09/29/2003 12:53:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The legacy that President Clinton left for the 21st century is a modern Chinese army equipped for global nuclear war.

In addition to emboldening terrorists around the world by not dealing with them and looking the other way.

2 posted on 09/29/2003 12:58:40 PM PDT by b4its2late (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: johnny chung
Ping
3 posted on 09/29/2003 12:59:09 PM PDT by b4its2late (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
At the rate things are going for manufacturing in this country pretty soon we'll use Chinese chips for U.S. nukes. Then it'll be even.
4 posted on 09/29/2003 1:00:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: b4its2late
I STILL don't understand why the Democrats don't see the CLEAR double standard that the Dems are playing.

5 posted on 09/29/2003 1:01:12 PM PDT by avalon
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BUMP

CLINTON's PATENT LEGACY
The Democrats also gave all pending US Patent applications
to the Chinese INCLUDING those patent applications STILL not granted.
The patents continue to be witheld from the American public by
the Commissioner for Patents, Nicholas Godici to this day
---> including those involving sources of alternative energy.

FREEP for justice and truth:
[telephone number is 703 305 8800
[ Fax:703 305 8825 email: Nicholas.Godici@USPTO.gov]

6 posted on 09/29/2003 1:02:01 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: avalon
Because they have faith in their chief whore Hitlary.
7 posted on 09/29/2003 1:03:00 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Diogenesis
Commie Clintoon....!
8 posted on 09/29/2003 1:03:40 PM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: b4its2late
bookmark. Oh.........sh*t.
9 posted on 09/29/2003 1:04:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
These special computer chips are designed to function while being bombarded by intense radiation. Radiation hardened chips are considered critical for atomic warfare and are required by advanced nuclear tipped missiles.

"Radiation hardened" has a multiplicity of meanings. The stuff we sold, IIRC, was designed to cope with charged-particle bombardment (solar wind, et cetera). The chips for nuclear missiles and warheads require the ability to withstand a higher-than-average neutron flux during their regular service life and brief exposure to EXTREMELY high neutron flux during the flight of the missile to the target.

The two forms of shielding are radically different--charged particles are stopped by a Faraday cage of sufficient strength, while neutrons (having no electrical charge) can only be stopped by using enough low density material (hydrocarbon-based resins and the like).

10 posted on 09/29/2003 1:04:44 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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Gee, I wonder if these chips are being used in a special purpose situation. One where someone will be trying to destroy the U.S. GPS system, but not destroy the Chinese system.

P.S. Here is something to scare the daylights out of you.

Yellowstone caldera, big deal. Asteroids, big deal.

China and N. Korea have been working on getting rockets that can carry small payloads into outer space ready.

Know why?

It's because those small payloads are their new GPS system.

America's overpowering military is possible due to out GPS systems and technology, and is also totally dependent on that technology.

If you want to beat AMERICA, then you must put up your own GPS system, and then disable the AMERICAN SYSTEM.

Other nations (besides China and N. Korea) are helping,investing, and will be watching this feat being accomplished.

One must find out a way to destroy the US GPS satellites without destroying the CHINESE ones. Now I see how. AND....... we are asleep at the wheel.

11 posted on 09/29/2003 1:08:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: UCANSEE2
Gee, I wonder if these chips are being used in a special purpose situation. One where someone will be trying to destroy the U.S. GPS system, but not destroy the Chinese system.

GPS satellites presently use radiation-hardened chips--otherwise they'd fail in a matter of hours after launch.

P.S. Here is something to scare the daylights out of you.

Uh-huh...

Yellowstone caldera, big deal. Asteroids, big deal.

Your point is?

China and N. Korea have been working on getting rockets that can carry small payloads into outer space ready.

China's had them since the 1960s. Whoop-de-do.

Know why?

I'm sure you'll tell me...

It's because those small payloads are their new GPS system.

If it's a small payload, it will not be a radiation-hardened payload capable of doing the GPS mission. Radiation-hardening adds a fair amount of weight to any satellite.

America's overpowering military is possible due to out GPS systems and technology, and is also totally dependent on that technology.

Actually, it isn't; it just helps our military work better.

If you want to beat AMERICA, then you must put up your own GPS system, and then disable the AMERICAN SYSTEM.

Uh-huh. All you have to do is kill over 20 satellites, WITHOUT killing your own unhardened satellites, AND ensure that the Americans can't use YOUR satellites.

Other nations (besides China and N. Korea) are helping,investing, and will be watching this feat being accomplished.

Uh-huh.

One must find out a way to destroy the US GPS satellites without destroying the CHINESE ones. Now I see how.

OK, then kindly tell us how it would be done.

AND....... we are asleep at the wheel.

Actually, we aren't; the fact that GPS actually survives years of exposure to the space environment speaks volumes about how radiation-hardened our satellites are, considering that the satellites are only 93,000,000 miles or so away from a completely unshielded and VERY large fusion reactor (the Sun) that puts out quite a bit of radiation.

12 posted on 09/29/2003 1:17:31 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: avalon
I STILL don't understand why the Democrats don't see the CLEAR double standard that the Dems are playing.

They see it, they deny it.

13 posted on 09/29/2003 1:39:38 PM PDT by b4its2late (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: Poohbah
GPS satellites presently use radiation-hardened chips--otherwise they'd fail in a matter of hours after launch.

So, it is not unreasonable to think that these chips will be used in foreign GPS satellites?

I said "our technology (for the military) it totally dependent on GPS"

You said, "Actually, it isn't; it just helps our military work better.

I agree with you. However, I don't think that most of our strategies in Iraq would have worked without GPS. Do you?

All you have to do is kill over 20 satellites, WITHOUT killing your own unhardened satellites, AND ensure that the Americans can't use YOUR satellites.

Kill or DISABLE?

I believe that if those satellites can be turned off, jammed, or otherwise scrambled, that the CHINESE have the best shot at it. How much of the GPS technology did Clinton give to the CHINESE?

I don't know and I would venture neither do you. Do our GPS satellites have self-destruct capabilities, should they lose orbit and need to be destroyed?

The precision of GPS coordinates is varied for various uses. Normal precision is what you and I can get. Then there is military precision. This accuracy was available only to the military (and other government agencies like NASA), and yet, Clinton gave away the 'key' to this to the Chinese.

OK, then kindly tell us how it would be done.

Reverse engineering. Now that the Chinese have the chips, they can determine exactly what and how they are 'protected'. Then, they design an extra protection around these 'hardened chips' that the US ones (already in use, in orbit) do not have.

Place the Chinese GPS sats in a different orbit than the US ones. Play bowling for dollars with a bunch of steel ball bearings. I can think of many ways to destroy or incapacitate them.

14 posted on 09/29/2003 3:34:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: Poohbah
Funny. Huh? Here you state exactly what I am concerned about.

The stuff we sold, IIRC, was designed to cope with charged-particle bombardment (solar wind, et cetera).

So, they got the chips that could be used in GPS satellites, not nuclear missiles?

15 posted on 09/29/2003 3:36:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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And as if, by magic.....

China joins EU to break US GPS Monopoly.

16 posted on 09/29/2003 3:49:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: Poohbah
Seems this article disagrees with you.

From the 1991 Gulf War till now, all the US military operations would have been impossible without GPS

17 posted on 09/29/2003 3:51:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: Poohbah
This is a space technology put into use by the US military in 1973, which was mainly composed of 24 satellites orbiting around the earth, sending out continuously radio signals of a certain frequency from a height about 17,000 kilometers above ground.


and....

The Galileo project, involving an investment estimated at 3.6 billion Euro, is made up of 30 satellites distributed in three orbits at a height of 24,000 kilometers.
18 posted on 09/29/2003 3:55:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (y)
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To: Poohbah
So, more satellites, later model, better equipped, with protection against things our satellites may not be protected against, in three different orbits, while ours is only in one.

The EU will eventually (with Red China) stand up against the US, and the US will fall. As much as I hate to say it.

19 posted on 09/29/2003 4:00:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Poohbah
I hope your sudden silence is because you are reading the other article.
20 posted on 09/29/2003 4:01:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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