California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]

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[Texasforever]

EV, I have taken some shots at you but I do know that you are one of the good guys around here. I also know that Bush was your second choice but when the rubber hit the road , you were, and continue to be,a strong advocate for him on FR.

[EternalVigilance]

Hey, thanks. Truly appreciated.

[kingu]

If the people of California are torn between a "consistent" conservative like Tom McClintock, and a "claimed" conservative like Arnold, then maybe "Tough Love" is in order.

We voted for Simon less than a year ago. He lost to Davis by about five percent. We tried it your way, how about joining us and Bill Simon and trying it our way?

[L.N. Smithee]

Total contempt for conservatives ? The Republicans ? Jeez.

Karl Rove and the state GOP wanted to make Richard Riordan governor.

You're a Californian, so tell me -- is Riordan a conservative?

[EternalVigilance]

(and Dutch gave up acting)

;-)

[kingu]

Karl Rove and the state GOP wanted to make Richard Riordan governor. You're a Californian, so tell me -- is Riordan a conservative?

Riordan lost the primary, we gathered together for the Governor's election. We voted for Simon less than a year ago. He lost to Davis by about five percent. We tried it your way, how about joining us and Bill Simon and trying it our way?

[L.N. Smithee]

Riordan lost the primary, we gathered together for the Governor's election.

You didn't have a choice. Conservatives kicked RINOrdan's butt out.

We voted for Simon less than a year ago. He lost to Davis by about five percent. We tried it your way, how about joining us and Bill Simon and trying it our way?

What way is "our way?" Please explain.

And don't forget my original question: Is Riordan a conservative?

[kingu]

What way is "our way?" Please explain.

Our way, vote for Arnold. As Bill Simon suggested today when he threw his support behind Arnold.

And don't forget my original question: Is Riordan a conservative?

Of course Riordan isn't a conservative. I live far too close to Los Angeles to ever think that.

[L.N. Smithee]

Of course Riordan isn't a conservative. I live far too close to Los Angeles to ever think that.

OK. Thanks.

My point was to answer the bewilderment of buwaya, who seemed to think it was ridiculous to suggest that the Republican Party is contemptuous of conservatives.

A national party that didn't have contempt for conservatives wouldn't have pushed Riordan for governor.

BTW, what's James Rogan doing nowadays?

[NittanyLion]

Personal attack in 161. He's got a track record of those...

[NittanyLion]

JOHN GALT? Have you even read the book?

Sure have. You may not have picked this up during your reading, but one of the book's essential points is Jim Taggart's outright terror at hearing John Galt's unyielding principles.

I see analogous actions here on this forum. Multiple people on this thread have claimed they listened to McClintock's interview today, he refused to compromise his principles, and they were "scared" of him.

[samtheman]

Greatness of spirit means he won't spoil this election for no reason.

30% Bustamante (Communist Party)
25% Arnold (Moderate Republican)
15% McClintock (Rock-Solid Republican)

What does the Rock-Solid Republican do in this case?

Give the election to the Communist ???

In your mind that would be Greatness of Spirit ???

[68 grunt]

"The true one will take sacrifice, hard work, patience and humility."

The true one? The Fifth Reich?

[capitan_refugio]

Every politician on the State level is term-limited. That's a good thing. I listen to Larry Elder too.

It has been my experience on these threads that most of the people who are bad-mouthing Tom McClintock are:
1. Not Californians, or
2. Not knowlegable about McClintock's constituents
3. Do not understand or know about his positions on the issues, or
4. Are not conservative Republicans or Libertarians (or as Larry Elder calls them, "Republitarians").

Tom McClintock is on the right side of virtually every issue of importance to mainstream conservatives. The same cannot be said of the other major candidates to replace the Governor.

[capitan_refugio]

BibChr -

One of the rules of the forum is "NO personal attacks." Name-calling is an ad hominem, personal attack, and is really the last resort of a poster who has nothing important to add to the discussion.

Furthermore, for a poster who likes to put scripture in his tagline, name-calling does not seem to me to be a very charitable, tolerant, or Christian thing to do.

[BibChr]

Sometime, if you ever get around actually to reading the Bible, you'll find that there's no real problem with observing that a fool is a fool, a blasphemer is a blasphemer, a liar is a liar, etc.

Meanwhile, I made and demonstrated my point. Not a speck of contradiction. So I'll stand by it. Becoming a Christian did not destroy my observational powers.

Dan

[capitan_refugio]

Tom's district delivers Republican votes, and lots of them. There is hardly an area in the newly redrawn district with over 40% Democrat registration (the big exception being the city of Santa Barbara at 48%).

In the California budget process, the State Senators hold a great deal of power, because 1/3rd can block a budget adoption (the first step to allocation of public funds and massive overspending). California has 40 State Senate district, each representing about 850,000 people. (That's more people than the population of the states of Alaska, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming, as well as the District of Columbia.) Currently 15 are Republican and 25 Democrats. 13 Senators can block the adoption of a budget. This line that McClintock doesn't get along with other legislators is hooey. The Republicans had to show unity to block Davis this past budget. McClintock does not play politics, however.

Every Californian owes McClintock a debt of gratitude for his efforts on restraining the profligate spending of the Democrats. He hasn't always won those battles, as some representatives eventually compromise on their principles and our wallets, but he has never voted to increase taxes. McClintock sounded the spending alarm several years ago and he continues to fight to preserve our liberties and rights as citizens.

What "perks" do you think the District is getting now, under the past five years of a Democrat governor, and the last 30 years of Democrat legislation??? And again, in case you missed it, even in the November 2002 election, when the top of the ticket (Bill Simon) ran such an inept campaign that it hurt all of the down-ticket candidates, McClintock came within a hair of winning his statewide race. It wasn't certified until they counted all of the absentee ballots. He was outspent 5:1 and came within 1% of victory. No Republican won statewide office in 2002. But if you look at the vote totals, Tom McClintock got more votes in November 2002 than any other Republican in the nation.

McClintock is the type of person you can trust with public office. I know from living in his districts for over 10 years. I can't say that about any of the other candidates. You are mistaking "vanity and arrogance" with "principle." In this day and age of "sound-bite politics" that is a mistake that is too often made.

[capitan_refugio]

I'm in McClintock's district. I have heard or read nothing of the sort. Wishful thinking but by unthinking rumor-mongers.

[itsahoot]

Goldwater got progressively less conservative the older he got.

Must have been dementia. Most folks get more conservative the more maturity they attain.

Worse, he found a young thing, she pumped all the blood from his main brain down to his other brain.

[itsahoot]

I don't get it. Are you saying that it is better for a Dem to win? Than for a Republican to bend on any principle?

The problem is that it is not a single principle, that is getting bent, but every single social issue.