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California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]
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| 9-25
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Posted on 09/25/2003 2:54:50 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: buwaya
And this is where politics becomes useless. This devotion that Reagan valued will not be won in elections, and regretting its lack in politicians is pointless. Where are the tithes, the legacies, the contributions to expand, for instance, private religious schools ? Where are the vocations to the priesthood, to service, to ministry ? Reclaiming California will take sacrifice, personal sacrifice. No election will give you this.
How very true and well said!...at least except for the 'regretting its lack in politicians is pointless' part.
We still need true leaders in public life...nature abhors a vacuum, and if we don't have the best, we will have the worst.
It's not an either/or kind of thing. America's ultimate hope, you are correct, is not to be found in her politicians, but in her people. But nonetheless, our government was designed to be of the people. We need personal renewal always, but we need a renewal of reverence for God, respect for life, and love of liberty in our political leaders too. That's why we call them 'leaders'.
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posted on
09/25/2003 10:44:47 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: buwaya
I meant stubborn in defense of fundamental principles.
422
posted on
09/25/2003 10:45:45 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: Tamsey
I'm just saying that it is possible to believe deeply in other aspects of the GOP platform even if someone is still "misguided" or "un-Christian" enough to be pro-choice. Believing in other aspects of the GOP platform makes it all better if you believe that killing babies is perfectly OK!!? Is that all the mass slaughter of innocent children means to you - that it is simply something in a plank of the GOP party platform that is negotiable and potentially unnecessary!??
Opposing abortion is not simply a convenient position or a political football. It is the defining issue of our day. Either you're for killing children or you are against it. There is no middle ground.
423
posted on
09/25/2003 10:46:18 PM PDT
by
Spiff
(Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
To: Tamsey
Just thought it would be worth the effort to try if he got into office. It's always worth trying.
But lobbying is always so much more expensive in terms of time, energy and treasure than just getting someone elected that doesn't need to be lobbied to do the right thing in the first place. And it very rarely works.
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posted on
09/25/2003 10:48:10 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
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To: Spiff
Believing in other aspects of the GOP platform makes it all better if you believe that killing babies is perfectly OK!!? The why wasn't McClintock shouting that to the rafters? I have yet to hear any issues beyond financial being discussed in this campaign. Has McClintock signed a "no abortion in California" pledge yet and if not why not?
To: Texasforever
Get Arnold to sign one, and I'm sure we'll have no problem getting Tom to.
426
posted on
09/25/2003 10:50:27 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Get Arnold to sign one, and I'm sure we'll have no problem getting Tom to. Why should "we have to get him to sign one"? Hell I thought he would have already done so. Maybe he is not so pro-life afterall.
To: EternalVigilance
Get Arnold to sign one, and I'm sure we'll have no problem getting Tom to. Uhhhh, that was a trick question. And as usual you booted it. The governor's opinion on abortion is immaterial and carries only as much weight as any other citizen's does, as it is not a matter legislated at the state level.
428
posted on
09/25/2003 10:55:19 PM PDT
by
strela
(I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back that money?)
To: Texasforever
There is no question of Tom's pro-life stance or record.
And there is no doubt of Arnold's pro-abortion-on-demand stance, either.
429
posted on
09/25/2003 10:55:25 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: EternalVigilance
My point is that insisting on the "perfect man" in politics for the sake of reversing cultural decline is hopeless. Elect the best of a bad lot, and do not permit the worst to win. Do not let "the best" be the enemy of "good enough".
True cultural renewal is not to be found in politics.
430
posted on
09/25/2003 10:55:43 PM PDT
by
buwaya
To: Spiff
You're missing my point.
Have a nice evening.
431
posted on
09/25/2003 10:55:46 PM PDT
by
Tamzee
("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
To: strela
The governor's opinion on abortion is immaterial and carries only as much weight as any other citizen's does, as it is not a matter legislated at the state level. That's simply not true.
432
posted on
09/25/2003 10:56:14 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Yes, I agree...
eeek.....did I just say that?!?!?
433
posted on
09/25/2003 10:57:27 PM PDT
by
Tamzee
("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
To: buwaya
So, you're arguing that we need to clean up our act as a people, but that it doesn't really matter that we do so inside our government...
Sorry, I don't buy your 'logic'.
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posted on
09/25/2003 10:57:33 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: EternalVigilance
here is no question of Tom's pro-life stance or record. Really? Then why is he not saying anything about it on the campaign trail? I would think this paragon of conservative "real republican" values would make that one of his major campaign issues.
To: Tamsey
Yes, I agree... eeek.....did I just say that?!?!? Hope you don't get hives, or something. ;-)
436
posted on
09/25/2003 10:58:32 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: Spiff
I am as anti-abortion as any.
If you want to stop abortions, politics is a hopeless avenue. By this point, in this culture, we are howling at the moon.
You must change the culture first. Quibbling over politicians positions is futile. If the people change, the politicians will follow.
437
posted on
09/25/2003 10:59:15 PM PDT
by
buwaya
To: Texasforever
Really? Then why is he not saying anything about it on the campaign trail? Guess you didn't listen to the closing statements in the debate.
438
posted on
09/25/2003 10:59:59 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
To: EternalVigilance
Guess you didn't listen to the closing statements in the debate. Oh did he pledge no abortions in California?
To: Texasforever
Oh, that's your game, huh..
Whatever. I don't want to play.
440
posted on
09/25/2003 11:02:27 PM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
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