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“Tom Can’t Win”? Wrong – Do the Math – Silent Switch Makes McClintock Governor
9-22-03
Posted on 09/22/2003 7:28:24 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
"Only idiots and those who want to see Bust-a-belt win say anything different. Welcome to reality."
Geez, let go of your ad hominem addiction already! People who disagree with you are not supporting your enemy and nor are they stupid! You're being reported for abuse AGAIN...
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:40:19 AM PDT
by
=Intervention=
(Pragmatist and realist are merely different spellings of the word "liberal".)
To: AmishDude
What makes you think that Bustamante will get less than 40%? Despite the polls, it's impossible for a Democrat to actually get vote totals as low as his. When push comes to shove, the RATs will pull the RAT lever. Good point. I have been surprised Bustamante has polled so low. This analysis is based purely on poll numbers and if they are not accurate, then it doesn't faly.
But, if the polls are wrong on Bustamante for the reasons you outlined, Schwarzenegger has no chance with or without McClintock.
To: Iris7
When faced with a challenge, you just call people names and impugn their motives. That doesn't convince anyone to vote for your candidate. Keep trying.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:42:56 AM PDT
by
=Intervention=
(Pragmatist and realist are merely different spellings of the word "liberal".)
To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Knock off the personal attacks.
To: tallhappy
The words, "if only", "may be", "if" and "may go" are not good if you are applying them to your candidate.
Leave "Fantasy Land" for the kids and Disney.
To: Republic Rocker
And I will hold the likes of you responsible Happy Tall one.... Please do.
You'd be wrong, though. I would like McClintock to bow out because when Schwarzenegger still loses they can't blame McClintock.
Blaming others for your defeat is always the cowards way. SoreLoserman goes Republican.
To: Registered
I know he can't win this thing.McC came within a hair's breadth of winning a statewide office last year, and this year will be far, far better for the GOP, turnout wise.
There's only one thing keeping a real conservative from CA's statehouse - Arnold's most recent ambition.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:47:17 AM PDT
by
skeeter
(Fac ut vivas)
To: tallhappy
Does McClintock more reflect your values and opions or does Schwarzenegger? First, stop spamming.
Second, no politician is perfect (even Tijuana Tom). Arnold Schwarzenegger's values, beliefs, competencies, and core ideals best fill the bill of all candidates in this race who can win.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:48:15 AM PDT
by
strela
(I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back all that money?)
To: george wythe
So Arnold's politically castrating himself to bridge the gender gap, with the help of Wilson campaign managers. The only role McClintock voters have in this election is to climb aboard the Arnold juggernaut as it shifts violently left?
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:49:12 AM PDT
by
SteveH
((Californians for, like, you know, Moon Unit!!!))
To: deport; South40; FairOpinion
What I don't understand is that if McClintock is so strong among conservatives why is it they don't support him above the 29% level?It's because even though in their views they identify with McClintock, they've been fooled into listening to people like you. "ARNOLD CAN WIN."
Well, he won't. The other shoe is about to drop on muscle-head.
To: Bikers4Bush
Actually not since they don't have any wing surface to begin with. Hey, the thread is based on a ridiculous premise to begin with. Work with me ...
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:50:14 AM PDT
by
strela
(I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back all that money?)
To: tallhappy
Real Clear Politics was Real Wrong in 2000 (far too optimistic on Bush's chances). Yes. Same dynamic and same people saying only Schwarzenegger can win are in the same boat. They are far too optimistic about Schwarzenegger's chances.Do yourself a favor and look at their 2002 Senate predictions. They were amazingly spot-on! Everyone had the 2000 Presidential election wrong... That's one race. Look at the big picture, RCP is usually very accurate.
To: chilepepper
so, the goal is to feel comfortable with ones beliefs? No. Not the goal. The goal is for McClintock to win.
This is not vote your conscience. The math works. Do it.
If Bustamante was at 40 this would not be feasible and voting one's conscience would acheive nothing.
In my case, if it were Rirodan as the "RINO" vs Bustamante and McClintock and all else were equal I would accept the vote for who can win argument and vote for Riordan.
I don't like Schwarzenegger, despite initially thinking I would support him simply to make Cruz Lose.
The basic mistake is to have Schwarzenegger on the ballot. He has split the vote and divided the party.
To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Who are these people? They're shills. In the tradition of the free marketplace we enjoy, some are paid more than others.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:52:29 AM PDT
by
strela
(I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back all that money?)
To: tallhappy
You said, "Does McClintock more reflect your values and opions or does Schwarzenegger?"
Firstly, I have no "opions", whatever. As far as my values, I believe it is necessary to restrain the Left's continuing successfull attack on public virtue. The goal of present day politics is to hold the defensive line against the Left's onslaught. Fight them trench to trench. Thwart their plans in any way possible. Make them pay for every inch they gain.
To have any chance for victory, we must be practical above all else. There is no room in this struggle for fantasy. Stop living in your own little world of delusion.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:53:19 AM PDT
by
Iris7
To: strela
Speaking of ridiculous premises, what happens after Wednesday when Arnold loses the debate to Tom?
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:54:20 AM PDT
by
SteveH
((Californians for, like, you know, Moon Unit!!!))
To: BigBobber
My middle of the road co-workers are calling October 7th "Arnold Day". There is no way these folks will vote for McClintock. Many have said they will vote No on recall if it looks like Busta-mencha will win. McClintock is not even on their radar screen. Yes. This works to McClintock's advantage in this scenario.
The left/Liberal vote is split.
The Republican base can't win in a normal election. This one has split the dem base though giving conservatives if they vote en masse the most votes.
To: SteveH
That would leave the field open to the far left crazies, thoughtful moderates, and right and right crazies.
Careful now - the Tombots will be all over you like a duck on a june bug for statements like that.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:56:03 AM PDT
by
strela
(I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back all that money?)
To: nina0113
For years, I voted Libertarian because I believed that I should vote the impossible principle over the possible victory. I disagree with voting on principle. This is not analogous to the libertarian case ot any third party case.
The numbers are there for this to happen.
It is never there for thrid party cases.
I am not an adovcate of voting one's conscience to throw away votes.
To: tallhappy
I here the press tell us Arnold is the man but I have not heard anyone on the streets yet talk about Arnold.
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:57:01 AM PDT
by
jetson
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