[Eva]

There you go again, confusing liberals and leftists, there is no such thing as an environmental liberal, they are leftists. The environmental issue is another tool on the leftist work bench, used for group think.

[=Intervention=]

So you're saying that liberals are not leftists? *shaking head amazed* Please show me a liberal who is NOT a leftist. For that matter, show me a liberal politician who actually is proud of his/her country!