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Fossils Show Evidence of Ancient Plants
Yahoo! News ^ | Wed, Sep 17, 2003 | By ALEX DOMINGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/17/2003 11:24:51 PM PDT by Aracelis

While spores dating back about 475 million years had already been found, it had not been proven whether they came from land or aquatic plants. In the new study, the spores were found with the spore sac that produced them, indicating they came from a land-based plant, said study author Charles Wellman of the University of Sheffield in England.

The oldest fossils of land plants themselves are about 425 million years old and the age discrepancy between the oldest spores and the oldest fossils has puzzled scientists, Wellman said.

"Now, we've actually got the spores in the plants," said Wellman, whose paper appears in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

"I've found the spores lots of times, but I've never found the actual plants that produce the spores."

The spores are similar to those from a moss-like plant known as a liverwort, which can still be found today.

The spores and plant matter were discovered by sieving through core samples drilled in the search for oil, in this case a 4,950-foot-deep core drilled in northern Oman. Wellman's group dissolved the rock in a type of acid that does not destroy organic matter, and then strained the acid to find the spores and plant fragments.

Plants are believed to have made their way onto land before animals, whose earliest fossils date back about 430 million years, Wellman said.

Paul Kenrick, an early plant researcher at London's Natural History Museum, said in an accompanying commentary that the latest findings won't completely silence skeptics. The research, however, tilts the scales in favor of those who say the 475 million-year-old spores came from land-based plants.

Others have said the oldest land-based plants may be as much as 700 million years old, based on a genetic analysis of when the genomes of land and aquatic plants diverged, Kenrick said.

The latest work helps narrow the age estimates, and shows scientists what size the earliest plants were — tiny.

"If you were walking about on Earth back then, to see anything at all you would have been on your hands and knees with hand lens," Kenrick said. "Sort of like Sherlock Holmes, looking through a magnifying glass at all of these things. Life was on a completely different scale."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: evolution; fossils; plants

1 posted on 09/17/2003 11:24:51 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Junior; js1138; BMCDA; CobaltBlue; ThinkPlease; PatrickHenry; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 09/17/2003 11:26:02 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Piltdown_Woman
...the oldest land-based plants may be as much as 700 million years old.

How the heck can they make such pronouncements?
And, based upon what?
These guys have way more faith than any churchgoer I know.

3 posted on 09/17/2003 11:30:32 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
How the heck can they make such pronouncements? And, based upon what?

By seeing how different the genotypes are between aquatic plants & land plants. The longer they've been separate, the more differences in genetic sequence build up for each lineage. If they only count up the neutral differences in the sequences, they can estimate how long the two lineages have been diverging from each other.

I doubt that anyone ever seriously "pronounced" them to have split 700 million years ago - though I'm sure some genetic study did come up with that figure. Trying to extrapolate that far back by looking at genetic differences has got to contain a large margin of error.

4 posted on 09/18/2003 12:18:58 AM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: ppaul
We don' read the whole sentence, do we?

"...based on a genetic analysis of when the genomes of land and aquatic plants diverged, Kenrick said."

5 posted on 09/18/2003 3:29:35 AM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Plants are believed to have made their way onto land before animals, whose earliest fossils date back about 430 million years, Wellman said.

I wonder if our creo friends will contest that?

6 posted on 09/18/2003 3:52:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
This is going to throw a crimp in their hoary argument that rocks are dated by fossils and fossils dated by rocks.
7 posted on 09/18/2003 4:30:43 AM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Thanks for the heads up!
8 posted on 09/18/2003 6:27:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Fossils Show Evidence of Ancient Plants

Yes, that's what fossils do.

9 posted on 09/18/2003 6:32:58 AM PDT by Consort
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To: PatrickHenry
I wonder if our creo friends will contest that?

There's no such thing as fossils because they're not mentioned in Genesis. ;)

10 posted on 09/18/2003 8:04:19 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: PatrickHenry
How can plants leave fossils? They don't have any bones!
11 posted on 09/18/2003 1:55:09 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Dimensio
How can plants leave fossils? They don't have any bones!


More Darwinist lies!

12 posted on 09/18/2003 2:00:18 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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