'Bible as hate speech' bill nearing vote

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Art Moore

[PurVirgo]

While you are correct the bible says what it says. I always found that particular verse puzzling but have never researched it deeper.

Could you please enlighten me as to which particular verse you are referring to? I've read some things, but apparently I missed that one.

[Happy2BMe]

>> We do not want our children exposed ..

Nor do I.

However, we no longer live in a democracy where the people rule.

As mentioned earlier, we now live in an oligarchy.

Our fate is in the hands of nine people. And the vast majority of them are pro-homosexual.

[Mr. Silverback]

Not strivtly a pro-life thread, but you need to be aware of this.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

[Jeff Gordon]

Kevin, what part of "Don't ping me anymore" did you not understand?

[Delphinium]

I hope all the homosexuals in the US rush up to Canada to live.

[No Dems 2004]

Thanks for telling me about this. Canada is going down the tubes, no doubt. What we really need to do is give the pink slip to at least 6 of our Supreme Court 'Justices'.

God save America!!

[John O]

Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Now read my post #14 to Argee.

I believe that God has mercy for all men, that all men are called to repentence and can be saved, but that some men refuse to accept the grace and have become, through their own actions and choices, irredeemable. These men God hates. They have rejected Him (as Esau did) and He in turn has rejected them. I find no other way to explain Mal 1:2-3.

(Several of the commentaries I have access to lay this hatred at the feet of Esau as a race (edomites) and not as a person. The explanation still holds true. The Edomites rejected God, gave up their birthright as His children and practiced abomination.)

While I am certain that God grieves over each one of these (2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.) but still hates them for their choice.

(note that while Esau gave up his birthright and rejected God in the first book of the OT, it is only in the last book of the OT that God states his hatred for Esau. God gave Esau somehwere near 2000 years to repent and come back to Him but Esau never did)

Remember that biblical hate is not the opposite of biblical love. You can hate and love something at the same time.

[John O]

Could you please enlighten me as to which particular verse you are referring to?

Malachi 1:2-3

See my post 67 for more detail.

[John O]

Please check out post 67.

[A. Pole]

Introduced by self-described "gay" House of Commons member Svend Robinson, the bill would add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation.

Why do they talk so much about homosexuality? There are so many other interesting sexual "orientations"! Will they also be protected?

[ArGee]

Not being a Hebrew scholar, my understanding is that the language would be better represented as "Jacob have I favored and Esau have I punished." or something to that effect.

In all things, though, we have to remember we are describing an infinite G-d with finite language. The First Commandment, wherein G-d says He is jealous, does not mean what it means if I am jealous because my wife is flirting with another man. It's just as close to what G-d means as you can get with human language.

Shalom.

[John O]

This is true. All the commentaries (John Gill; Matthew Henry; Jamieson, Fausset, Brown) that I have access to at the moment seem to imply "reject" as a better word but still use "hate" in the description of these verses. I checked this to be sure I was correct in my usage. I haven't found anything in the commentaries to show me my error.

The important thing to remember though is that it is possible to love and hate something at the same time. Hate is not the opposite of love (even if the dictionary defines it that way)

Apathy is the opposite of love. You have to care about something in order to hate it.

Ah well, interesting (but ranging far off topic) discussion.

[Mears]

Just sneak in,get to California and pretend you are Mexican,no problem.

At age 18 you could learn some Spanish very quickly if you don't speak it already.

[bitcon]

My blond hair blue eyes would probably give me away. I have a plan on how to get in illegally if I have to, but I want to get in legally so I'm not forever looking over my shoulder waiting for the INS or someone to pick me up and deport me. Especially if I decide to go career in the Armed Forces, because they WILL find out if I'm an illegal.