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'Bible as hate speech' bill nearing vote
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Art Moore

Posted on 09/17/2003 1:39:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

As some U.S. Supreme Court justices look abroad for guidance on cases related to homosexuality, Canada is set to vote on a bill opponents say would criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior.

Introduced by self-described "gay" House of Commons member Svend Robinson, the bill would add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation.

As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if the bill becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality.

The Parliament is scheduled to debate the bill tomorrow and likely will call a vote within the next few days. The legislation has the support of every provincial and territorial attorney-general in Canada.

The debate comes amid a battle over a government bill that would establish same-sex marriage. Yesterday, Parliament narrowly defeated a nonbinding motion reaffirming the heterosexual-only definition of marriage. The close margin in the Liberal Party-dominated House of Commons, 137-132, raised questions about whether the government bill would pass, especially if an election is called before it is brought to a vote.

Alan Sears, president of the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, a nonprofit legal group, says Americans should pay close attention to their northern neighbors.

"Why does what is going on in Canada matter?" he asked in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "Some of our own justices have already have told us they will be looking closely at how the 'wider civilization' handles these cases."

Sears notes Justice Stephen G. Breyer said in a recent interview with ABC News that the world is growing together through "commerce and through globalization" and we will find out in coming years how our Constitution "fits into the governing documents of other nations. …"

In a speech last month, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the U.S. Supreme Court is looking beyond America's borders for guidance in handling cases on issues like homosexual rights and the death penalty.

"Our island or lone-ranger mentality is beginning to change," Ginsburg said during a speech Aug. 2 to the American Constitution Society, a liberal lawyers group.

Justices "are becoming more open to comparative and international law perspectives," said Ginsburg, who cited an international treaty in her June vote to uphold the use of race in college admissions.

"While you are the American Constitution Society, your perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world," she told the group of judges, lawyers and students. "We are the losers if we do not both share our experiences with and learn from others."

In the landmark case that overturned Texas's ban on sodomy, Lawrence v. Texas, Justice Anthony Kennedy argued against the previous precedent regarding sodomy, Bowers v. Hardwick, noting the "case's reasoning and holding have been rejected by the European Court of Human Rights, and that other nations have taken action consistent with an affirmation of the protected right of homosexual adults to engage in intimate, consensual conduct."

Sears said the court's arguments in its "fabrication" of a "constitutional right to engage in sodomy" were so questionable that the court felt "compelled to appeal to European courts to justify the desired conclusion."

In his dissent of the Lawrence case, Justice Antonin Scalia with two colleagues said the court should not "impose foreign moods, fads or fashions on Americans."

Scalia wrote, "Constitutional entitlements do not spring into existence because some states choose to lessen or eliminate criminal sanctions on certain behavior. Much less do they spring into existence, as the court seems to believe, because foreign nations decriminalize conduct."

Religious defense?

Backers of Robinson's bill, C-250, argue statements against homosexual behavior for religious reasons are exempted in the current law. But opponents point out the law addressed by Robinson's amendment spells out three different types of actions or speech considered criminal, and only one can be excused by a religious defense. And even that one, opponents maintain, has not always held up in court, because its vagueness leaves wide discretion to judges.

The opponents argue the provincial human-rights commissions, which already include sexual orientation as a protected category, have penalized people for actions motivated by their conscientious objection to homosexual behavior.

As WorldNetDaily reported, a Saskatchewan man was fined for submitting a newspaper ad with citations of four Bible verses that address homosexuality.


Ad placed by Christian corrections officer in Saskatoon, Canada, newspaper

Under the provincial Human Rights Code, Hugh Owens of Regina, Saskatchewan, was found guilty along with the newspaper, the Saskatoon StarPhoenix, of inciting hatred and was forced to pay damages to each of the three homosexual men who filed the complaint.

The rights code allows for expression of honestly held beliefs, but the commission ruled the code can place "reasonable restriction" on Owens's religious expression, because the ad exposed the complainants "to hatred, ridicule, and their dignity was affronted on the basis of their sexual orientation."

If Robinson's bill passes, Owens and others would be considered criminals, subject to a jail sentence of up to two years in some cases and five years in others.

Two years ago, the Ontario Human Rights Commission penalized printer Scott Brockie for refusing to print letterhead for a homosexual advocacy group. Brockie argued that his Christian beliefs compelled him to reject the group's request.

In British Columbia, a teacher was suspended for making "derogatory and demeaning" statements against homosexuals, according to the judgment of a teachers association panel. Though none of the statements in question were made in class, the panel cited letters to a newspaper that indicated veteran teacher Chris Kempling's attitude could "poison" the class environment.

One Kempling letter cited by the panel said: "Gay people are seriously at risk, not because of heterosexual attitudes but because of their sexual behaviour, and I challenge the gay community to show some real evidence that they are trying to protect their own community members by making attempts to promote monogamous, long-lasting relationships to combat sexual addictions."

The teachers panel said it does not need to find direct evidence of a poisoned school environment to determine that a member is guilty of conduct unbecoming.

The panel said, "It is sufficient that an inference can be drawn as to the reasonable and probable consequences of the discriminatory comments of a teacher."

In another case, a Christian couple in Prince Edward Island chose to close down their bed and breakfast rather than be forced to condone homosexual acts under their own roof, according to the National Post.

Along with the human rights tribunals, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council rules have been used to censure programs addressing homosexuality. In 1997, the council ruled that the airing of a James Dobson "Focus on the Family" program, called "Homosexuality: Fact and Fiction," violated the requirement that opinion, comment, and editorializing be presented in a way that is "full, fair, and proper."

The Vancouver teacher Kempling wrote a letter to the National Post last month, expressing his amazement that the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association would choose to side with the teachers against him, noting "not a single gay or lesbian person registered any complaint about what I wrote, either to my employer or the B.C. Human Rights Commission."

"Now I know how Galileo must have felt," he said. "When civil liberties groups act like Orwell's thought police, true democracy is in serious trouble."


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Wednesday, September 17, 2003

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1 posted on 09/17/2003 1:39:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
"Why does what is going on in Canada matter?" he asked in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "Some of our own justices have already have told us they will be looking closely at how the 'wider civilization' handles these cases."

Why, this writer must be referring to Ruthless Bad Ginseng...you know, the one who looks like she hasn't, ehem, had a good dose of Metamucil in about 5 years? We must, you know, consult international law before we make decisions. Idiot.

2 posted on 09/17/2003 1:54:30 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
Please do not ever follow what Canada does. It only turns out bad. I live in Canada and it's hell, a pure living hell. I'm looking for anyway out to the US and I sure as hell don't want to get there and find another Canada forming.
3 posted on 09/17/2003 3:08:32 AM PDT by bitcon
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To: JohnHuang2
The remarks of Ginsberg, Breyer, and Kennedy put them beyond contempt. Don't they take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United states? At the very least, they should be impeached.
4 posted on 09/17/2003 3:17:56 AM PDT by isrul
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To: JohnHuang2
Note that the law in question covers genocide and hate-crimes. Therefore, according to modern logic murdering people because of their ethinicity can be equated to declining to print letter-head of a gay advocacy group.

Forgive my obviously 'unenlightened' nature, but isn't it a tiny bit utterly abominable to put the Nazis in the same category as a small printer with various principles?
5 posted on 09/17/2003 5:23:52 AM PDT by tjwmason
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To: JohnHuang2
It seems that the Great White North has gone insane. It'll soon be the nutty aunt in the attic.
6 posted on 09/17/2003 5:44:55 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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7 posted on 09/17/2003 6:22:29 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: bitcon
Bitcon, I feel for you. I am curious what is so bad about Canada? I know you guys have gone to a lot of socialist policies but is it really so bad that you want to get out of there?

8 posted on 09/17/2003 6:29:40 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: EdReform
BTTT
9 posted on 09/17/2003 7:09:25 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("What is impossible with men is possible with GOD -Luke 18:27)
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To: JohnHuang2
Apparently, saying that someone is wrong is tantamount to hating that someone. That brings an interesting question to mind. What am I saying when I say...

I was wrong.

Shalom.

10 posted on 09/17/2003 7:10:01 AM PDT by ArGee (Hey, how did I get in this handcart? And why is it so hot?)
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To: JohnHuang2
"Now I know how Galileo must have felt," he said. "When civil liberties groups act like Orwell's thought police, true democracy is in serious trouble."

Sure, they have elections every so often, but freedom to speak (and thus freedom of conscience) is now controlled by the leftist elite.

11 posted on 09/17/2003 8:27:36 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: ArGee
Apparently, saying that someone is wrong is tantamount to hating that someone.

Which raises the other question. What's so bad about hating someone? God hated people. If he can do it why can't we?

12 posted on 09/17/2003 9:12:56 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
God hated people.

I'm not sure G-d ever hated a person, (I know the Biblical language). G-d hates sin and what sin produces, but I think He loves the sinner even while the sinner is choosing Hell.

Shalom.

13 posted on 09/17/2003 9:35:20 AM PDT by ArGee (Hey, how did I get in this handcart? And why is it so hot?)
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To: ArGee
While you are correct the bible says what it says. I always found that particular verse puzzling but have never researched it deeper.
14 posted on 09/17/2003 9:48:02 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: JohnHuang2
"While you are the American Constitution Society, your perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world," she told the group of judges, lawyers and students. "We are the losers if we do not both share our experiences with and learn from others."

This is just one of the many terrifying statements in the above article. How long can things continue in this nose-dive direction? When same sex acts are a holy protected rite, and speaking the truth is a crime? I can't imagine how horrible to be a Canadian right now.

But according to the fools wearing black robes, this will be coming to the US soon. I can only hope that Americans who still can understand the difference between right and wrong will stand up and change the course.

15 posted on 09/17/2003 11:30:37 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: truthandlife
Income tax up to 50% and of 14.5% sales tax. Being told that your wrong for not supporting same sex marriage or anti-American, yes I know you gave that there but at least most of you agree that it shouldn't be legal and there's alot less support for anti-Americans. Our military sucks, the main reason I want to leave is because I want to serve. Guns are pretty much totally illegal, only rifles, shotguns and handguns and they're all heavily retricted as in the barrel of the handgun must be 105mm or more, about 4.13 inches, (don't ask me about storage, it's even worse). Jean Chretien as Prime Minister. The NDP (commies with a different name). In Saskatchewan the Bible has been declared hate literature. Gov't health care that doesn't work. I've already been denied promt service twice (one of those I was almost completely denied service) and I'm only 18, I dont want to know how many times it's going to be denied me in my life time. Don't tell me to go pay for it because that's illegal in Canada. I could go on but I think the list is long enough. This isn't the type of place I want to live and most people here don't want to change it so my choice is to leave.
16 posted on 09/17/2003 1:31:41 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: bitcon
Wow, I feel for you. Get to the United States as quick as possible it is better but if we keep falling asleep at the wheel we will be just like Canada in a few years.
17 posted on 09/17/2003 1:49:29 PM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
I'm trying to get there but it's not easy. Senators don't like to help (both Democrats and Republicans), they don't even respond to me. They did talk to my cousin but told him I had to talk to my representative, helpful since I don't have one. Since there's 4 ways to get a green card and I don't or can never meet 2 of them I'm limited. All I have is employer sponsorship, which is hard, and family sponsorship which I don't meet and will only meet it some how an impediate family member gets a green card or I get married to an American.
18 posted on 09/17/2003 2:05:51 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: bitcon
I've heard that satellite dishes are all but illegal in Canada (just as they are in many communist states and Iraq etc) is that true? What other kids of things like that go on up there?
19 posted on 09/17/2003 2:21:49 PM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: EUPHORIC
No Marlboro cigarettes.

It's true.
20 posted on 09/17/2003 2:27:35 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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