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Schwarzenegger brands Prop. 54backers as "right-wing crazies"
California Political News and Views | September 8, 2003 | Stephen Frank

Posted on 09/09/2003 7:07:37 AM PDT by sruleoflaw

I post this information with the following comments.

As Republicans and conservatives activists, we know that Mr. Schwarzenegger has refused to sign a no tax hike pledge, refused to take a position on California's Family Leave Act (a major job-killer), supports homosexual domestic partners (opposed by 61% of Californians), supports gay adoption, supports abortion, has said that Proposition 187 is history and that he doesn't mind illegal aliens staying here, and in an unbelievably inept statement, said he will ask the Democrat Legislature to repeal the law giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens (as if the Democrats John Burton and Herb Wesson will give him his request). There is only one way to stop drivers licenses for illegals -- the McClintock-California Republican Assembly referendum effort. AND NOW, AS THE TOPPER, Mr. Schwarzenegger has opposed Proposition 54 AND CALLED THE SUPPORTERS OF THIS MEASURE (WHICH INCLUDES THE CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY) 'RIGHT-WING CRAZIES'.

I have one or two questions for Mr. Schwarzenegger's followers. Do you support Proposition 54? Does Proposition 54? Do you accept Arnold's name-calling toward me, you and others? Is Arnold's name-calling indicative of what he feels toward conservatives.

Mr. McClintock has offered to debate Mr. Schwarzenegger -- ONE ON ONE, MAN TO MAN. Let them debate...and then we'll choose a course of action.

California Political News and Views September 8, 2003 Published by Stephen Frank

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MAJOR STORY--ARNOLD CALLS SUPPORTERS OF PROP 54, TO END RACIAL PROFILING, "Right Wing Crazies".

Dear Political Activist:

Conservative elected officials, many of them, have endorsed Arnold. His reply to them? He calls them "right wing crazies". Why, because they oppose racial profiling and believe all people should be treated equally.

Arnold has come out against Prop. 54, which has been endorsed by the California Republican Party. Yet, Arnold calls supporters of the measure, including the California Republican Party, "right wing crazies." Also calling supporters of Prop. 54 (which ends racial profiling) "right wing crazies" are Cruz Bustamante and Gray Davis.

Why does Arnold have to name call? Is this how he is going to unify the Republican Party by name calling? Shame on him. He needs to apologize to everyone of his endorsers and the CRP for another example of outrageous conduct.

Here is the original of the story:

"Yesterday, a member of our staff attended an event at which Arnold Schwarzenegger was in attendance. Here is the exchange that took place:

Justin: "So I know you haven't made a decision on Prop 54--"

[I was going to go further and attempt to make our case when he cut me off right there.]

Arnold: "No, I have made a decision. I'm against it. It looks good on the surface, but when you study it you see its true intentions. It was a no-brainer, once I looked at all the reading and all the materials. I do a lot of work with after school programs, a lot of these kids are minorities, and we need to know how they're doing and bring them up to the starting line. It was a no-brainer. And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it."

We are absolutely convinced of the fact that because Justin is black, Arnold presumed that he is one of those liberal "minorities" who wanted to hear that kind of patronizing message."

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_09_07_corner-archive.asp#013121 ARNOLD & PROP. 54 [John J. Miller] Yesterday I named three things Arnold S. could to do to appeal to conservatives. I neglected to mention a fourth: Endorse Proposition 54, Ward Connerly's latest initiative, which would ban the state from collecting information about the race and ethnicity of its citizens. For a couple of weeks, AS has said he's studying Prop. 54 and would announce his decision before Election Day. Last night, however, Connerly emailed to say AS has come out against Prop. 54. The candidate also added this little flourish: "And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it." It is becoming increasingly clear that there is no conservative case to be made for Schwartzenegger. The man has given us "right-wing crazies" almost nothing except the hope that he might win. Friends, this is the definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

Arnold should have read this before he spoke: 10 REASONS TO SUPPORT PROPOSITION 54 Prop 54 will bar the state and all local California governments from collecting racial data in the areas of public education, employment, contracting and most other government operations. Reasonable exemptions exist for medical research subjects and patients, data collection required by federal law or for federal funds, certain activities of law enforcement and the Dept. of Fair Housing and Employment. The state legislature, by a two-thirds vote and with the governor's approval, can vote to exempt any other reasonable area. This initiative builds on Proposition 209 by eliminating race classifications in those areas where preferences are outlawed.

Race has become less and less a factor in determining the fates and fortunes of Americans. For that reason, the state should get out of the racial classification business and end the invidious practice of dividing by race. Racial classifications originate in the 17th-century slavery system and should be torn down, not propped up by government sanction. Furthermore, the classifications are unscientific and arbitrary: How much black blood makes a person black? Who counts as Hispanic? To what race do multiracial people belong?

By pitting racial groups against one another, racial classifications foster more resentment and disharmony, not less. America will never get over its race problem as long as some insist on obsessively focusing on skin color as a defining characteristic. The historic Civil Rights Movement was not waged for an America where the government required every citizen to present his or her race as a prerequisite for any government transaction. It was waged for an America where the government treated all citizens equally before the law. John F. Kennedy once said, "Race has no place in American life or law".Prop 54 will lead to that world where government disregards race.

Our government serves as a model of justice and equality for all citizens. If we truly want a color-blind society to happen someday, the first, measured step towards that goal is to establish a color-blind government. As the most diverse state in the Union, California has the most to gain from ending racial classifications. Whatever group may be up today could be down tomorrow; every Californian will be better off being treated equally under the law.

With California's state budget as much as $38 billion in the hole, our state needs to save every dollar it can. A great place to start will be the elimination of the reams of paperwork used to track race data, the numberless computer programs engineered to tabulate it, and the wasted time of countless employees entering the useless data into the system. As more Americans marry across lines of race,more children of multiracial descent are born. California, as the most diverse state, has more multiracial people than any other. These people don't fit into any one box. Why should the government require them to deny their full heritage by checking a box?

As long as we are trapped in the mindset that the only way to get past race is to obsessively track and tabulate it, we will never get past it. The only way to reach a color-blind society is to actually start behaving like we have one. It will not magically come about on its own. *********************************************************************************** FROM THE POLITICAL FRONT:

Arnold has shown himself not ready for prime time in this campaign, but maybe by October 7 he will be ready. A few examples:

1. He claims that in January, as Governor, he will "rescind" SB60 allowing illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses. His staff should have told him that Governors don't rescind laws--they veto them, they create initiatives, they speak out against them, but Governors can't rescind laws.

2. He will "audit every agency of government. He will "open the books". Actually, it is the job of the Controller to audit the books, and he can at any moment, without warning. The Governor can issue an audit demand and get it.

But, what do audits determine? They find waste and corruption. An audit does not tell if a program is good or bad, or if needed. Is he saying that the money problem of the state is waste and corruption, $38 billion dollars worth? Let him tell us, before we vote, what he will cut, or at least which programs are on the table.

3. The only "debate" he is willing to participate in is where he gets the questions five days in advance. In Hollywood, that is called "a script". (stolen from Jay Leno)

***************************************************** Let us remember, the first goal is to Recall Gray Davis. This is becoming a problem. Look at this:

Davis Ouster May Not Be A Sure Thing http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82%257E1865%257E1616811,00.html

The gubernatorial recall races hit their mud-slinging midpoint this weekend amid a surprising and perhaps decisive twist -- signs a growing number of voters miss the "good old days" of just being unhappy with Gov. Gray Davis. Front-running replacement candidates Cruz Bustamante and Arnold Schwarzenegger have swiftly fallen into such a swamp of criticism and uncertainties that Davis' ouster no longer appears inevitable, say many Democrats and independent analysts. *************************************************************** POLL FOR THE WEEK:

The Bush Administration is asking the United Nations to get involved in the Iraq situation. Do you support or oppose the UN's involvement at this time?

Please vote yes or no and send your response and reasons to: stephenfrank@sbcglobal.net

Fun Comments from a friend. If someone from Arnold's camp would like to submit a Dr. Seuss, happy to reprint it.

From Sylvia Sullivan. 8/29/03, of San Diego County:

With Apologies to Dr. Seuss

Will you for Arnold vote?

I will not for Arnold vote! Not in a boat, not by a goat

Not with the fans he boasts Not by the money he gloats

By right stand, I am No matter dire predictions I'll stand by my convictions!

Arnold will not get my vote

Not on a float, not with a dope Not on a whim, not in a gym!

Not with a goose, not on the booze I will not be loose, with the Gov. I choose!

By Tom I stand, I am He has the right plan The man we love, to be our next Gov.!


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamentebooster; proposition54
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To: alwaysconservative
accompices=accomplices

My fingers were upset too!
101 posted on 09/09/2003 9:39:16 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Have YOU actually heard anybody answer the Verizon guy?)
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To: sruleoflaw
No source at all,so this could be bogus, and yet you don't even acknowledge that fact.

You are just another lying, duplicitous McClintock supporter.If it wasn't this tidbit, it would another item you choose to lie about.There is nothing you won't do or say to create dissension, and you can't possibly be arguing from a position of good faith.You are a troll of the worst kind, masquerading as a truth seeker.

102 posted on 09/09/2003 9:40:40 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: sruleoflaw
Join Us…Your One Thread To All The California Recall News Threads!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

103 posted on 09/09/2003 9:43:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: deport
Thanks for the context and the actual quote.It's so much easier to see who the liars are on FR when you do such fine research.

So, this is what the McClintock rabid dogs must do to stump for their guy? This trolling is is ridiculous and yet, FR tolerates it....
104 posted on 09/09/2003 9:44:15 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: novacation
AARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
105 posted on 09/09/2003 9:49:59 AM PDT by Hildy (SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican.)
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To: BunnySlippers; Registered; Common Tator; Torie; RonDog; DoughtyOne
Although his positions on such issues have nothing to do with ending the state's financial crisis, which Schwarzenegger has said would be his main concern as governor, they are important because they could help him gain support from the conservative wing of the state Republican Party.

"Even within the Republican base, if you are talking about a closed Republican primary... they are no more than 20 to 25 percent of the registered Republicans. There is a perception out there that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies -- that, in fact, is not true."
LINK

Thanks for the link. Sure looks like Arnold thinks that 20% to 25% of registered California Republicans are "right wing crazies."

Doesn't he need those votes?

Who's advising this guy?


106 posted on 09/09/2003 9:51:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Arnold opposes the driver's licenses, but he also wants to lobby DC to legalize Illegal Aliens. Ah.)
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To: Sabertooth
Who's advising this guy?

Team Rove/Parsky. But, I don't know that "advising" is quite the correct word. I think it's more like a hand-puppet arrangement.

107 posted on 09/09/2003 9:52:42 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: habs4ever
Excellent comments #102 and #104.

"The trolling is ridiculous and yet, FR tolerates it..."
108 posted on 09/09/2003 9:58:47 AM PDT by onyx
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To: habs4ever
Pick up Line 1,, the Gestapo Press would like to use your last comment.

What part of news discussion forum don't you understand.

You support censorship? Let the sheeple decide for themselves what they will believe. Many here believe Arnold is the answer. Do we stop you from expressing views , right or wrong.

Like a handful of head butters here will make a rat's arse's difference in the final outcome anyway.

Methinks a lot of folks here think themselves much more important than others freedoms , used rightly or wrongly.

Stalin would be proud of many of your efforts, imo.
109 posted on 09/09/2003 10:02:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi... "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." – Will Rogers)
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To: onyx
Thanks, and it is ridiculous.

Management has let down the forum by having crud like the thread originator spew such falsehoods.It makes Eschoir look like George Washington ;-)
110 posted on 09/09/2003 10:02:33 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
A few interesting observations:

We go through this every time. There's always some reason not to vote for some Republican. Basically, they all have to be Reagan -- or what we remember Reagan to be. The truth is, Reagan was all about compromise. He took his half-loaves anyplace he could get them.

But Reagan wasn't good enough either, I guess.

111 posted on 09/09/2003 10:02:47 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: onyx
You're in New Hampshire! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Move on Hildy, responding to this person is a waste of time!

Let me reply to you in kind....

OK MexiCali. I'm sure you (and others like you) had no opinion on Sen. Bob Smith when he left the (R) party...or wrote anything about how he should be defeated...right?

I'm sick of all this crap from you MexiCali folk. You all are boring me.

OK, I expect you all to avoid ANY comments on any OTHER State's issues, since all we LEGAL Americans from other States are being told we have less voice than the ILLEGALS in your damn State!

Oh, and when the bottom falls out of your State's economy...don't expect a bailout from the rest of us States...you can solve it yourselves. You didn't want any one else to make any comments, so you get no help!

Remember, you BOHICA for the Moderates, and when the time comes, they will STAB YOU in the back when you need their suppoet for "Conservative" issues"

How are Conservatives supposed to win by always knuckling under and voting Moderate? Just when is it tiome for the "Conservatives" to win?

Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to invalidate MeiCali Drivers Licenses from being used in all us OTHER States! AhNuld doesn't seem to grasp HOW to get stop this measure...he thinks that the very DemonRATS who did this will now undo it...or that he can "repeal" it. NOT! It's called a "referendum", and McClintock is ALREADY moving on it...unline SchwartzenKennedy!

Happy second-class citizenship under Crus BustaMeCha, or Arnold!

112 posted on 09/09/2003 10:06:39 AM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: habs4ever
Agreed, but it's not for lack of complaints. I filed one on this thread this morning.
113 posted on 09/09/2003 10:07:09 AM PDT by onyx
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To: NormsRevenge
Normie, there is a difference between honest and dishonest debate, and the thread orginator has crossed the line.He can lie with impunity, or so badly distort and manipulate quotes, that reasonable people can see a troll at work.Play fair, or not at all :)

Don't give me this goofy Stalin analogy.This thread is lying propaganda, and yet you accuse me of advocating censorship? Are you a dope, or a dupe?

114 posted on 09/09/2003 10:07:26 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
Alot of self-professed "crazies" here.

Even if this was true and taken out of context. Arnold didn't say that all those who support the proposition are "crazies". Arnold knows who the crazies are. He has been hounded, and egged, by rightwing crazies. A reminder to those who may have forgotten the egg/chicken thing and all the "cluck, cluck" noises some McClintock supporters here engaged in.

115 posted on 09/09/2003 10:09:34 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: sruleoflaw
McClintock Bump. The pubs don't need that governors seat badly enough to support the chump Schwarzenegger. I think that sending in RINO spies may be part of the liberal takeover strategy. Like the Log (how far is the Old Log Inn) Cabin Republicans.
116 posted on 09/09/2003 10:11:32 AM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: raggededge
The only way dimocrats get elected is by pretending to be Republicans.
117 posted on 09/09/2003 10:12:40 AM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: Sabertooth
That's a quote from August 27th. Not even the same quote posted at the beginning of the thread and referenced in the National Review piece.

The original quote being discussed supposedly took place on September 7th, the first time, to my knowledge, that he publically discussed the issue. Here is the link to that one:

http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/impromptus090803.asp
118 posted on 09/09/2003 10:14:48 AM PDT by Helix
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To: sruleoflaw
He is a name-calling, pro-baby-killing, group sexing, mistress-keeping RINO.

Pot, meet kettle.

119 posted on 09/09/2003 10:14:59 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: RGSpincich
He has been hounded, and egged, by rightwing crazies.

Evidence?

I didn't think so.

The egging was probably done by the guy in the chicken suit, who had clearly emblazoned on his suit: "NO ON 54." The other anti-Schwarzenegger protesters present were clearly DemocRATS.

Right-wing crazy? I think not.

120 posted on 09/09/2003 10:15:32 AM PDT by B Knotts
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