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The eyes might have it [Evolution, the Cambrian explosion]
The Age (Australia) ^
| 30 August 2003
| Deborah Smith
Posted on 08/29/2003 12:55:50 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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08/29/2003 12:56:48 PM PDT
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PatrickHenry
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I goofed. Could you fix my title for me? It has "the the" where I should have only one "the." Thanks.
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08/29/2003 1:00:59 PM PDT
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PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Phasers set to "facilitate", Captain...
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08/29/2003 1:01:16 PM PDT
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general_re
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To: PatrickHenry
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools . . . Romans 1:22
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08/29/2003 1:05:51 PM PDT
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PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Figuring out the evolution of the eye will drive the IDers nuts.
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posted on
08/29/2003 1:06:48 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: CobaltBlue
Figuring out the evolution of the eye will drive the IDers nuts.
No, it will just give them another bit of strong evidence to dismiss without consideration.
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posted on
08/29/2003 1:09:55 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: CobaltBlue
To the slaughter house ... the blind --- lunch meat !
All thanks to evolution ... rag head science --- liberals !
The govt is functioning under herd instinct now ... cattle pens --- packing house !
Social engineering ... feed lot education too !
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08/29/2003 1:09:56 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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ping
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posted on
08/29/2003 1:10:25 PM PDT
by
Prof Engineer
(HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
To: PatrickHenry
all the components of the eye are extremely complex. Just to evolve a simple functional protein is quite an accomplishment. This explains way some species from the cambrian era have photo receptive cells and an ocular tube, and simply lack a transparent lens. why not a lens? this would give the creature the ability to see images. the lens that animals have is just some proteins. for six hundred million years they have been unable to evolve a simple protein. interesting to see the amt of much more complicated evolution that has taken place in the same six hundred million years.
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08/29/2003 1:13:18 PM PDT
by
week 71
To: PatrickHenry
So how does he explain how Hillary looks?
To: PatrickHenry
Without inserting God or some other supernatural agency into the picture, traits don't evolve "because" of anything other than mutation. A creature mutates and the mutation is kept, or not, because it makes the creature more likely to survive. Mutations don't suddenly start happening because a species has an environmental need to mutate. They are mistakes and only the good ones are kept. Where this explanation fails, for me, is that it doesn't seem to explain why these hard body and eye mutations would suddenly happen -- in parallel in multiple animal families -- at the same time and in the same way.
To: PatrickHenry
To: PatrickHenry
That certainly is an intriguing hypothesis. The sense of sight does open up a vast new
class of both risks and opportunities. I'm sure it'll spawn lots of new research in unexplored areas.
Here are some more articles & reviews of Parker's book, as found at Creation/Evolution: The Eternal Debate:
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08/29/2003 1:23:22 PM PDT
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jennyp
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To: PatrickHenry
To: jennyp
cuttlefish ?
How different is this than reading chicken entrails ... tea leaves --- crystal balls --- hand palms -- mind reading ?
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08/29/2003 1:24:27 PM PDT
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f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: PatrickHenry
pre-Cambrian monochrome placemarker
To: PatrickHenry
"At first, I would take a scientific manuscript and substitute all the difficult words with everyday words. But it doesn't work." The breakthrough came when he realised he should "start from the beginning and tell a story".
Exactly - when logic and evidence fail... it's storytime
There is no problem with postulating a theory like this for the purpose of discussion and attempting to understand how living organisms function. The problem is that some ignorant obstinate high school teacher is going to start using this as FACT in the classroom.
The funny thing is that scientists used to think the earth was fairly young or they just admitted there was no way to really know the age of the earth but once they embraced the theory of evolution they needed time. LOTs and LOTS of time, and so they came up with about 4 billion years. Then they realized that under their own theory they only had a small portion of that to work with. And then came the discovery of the cambrian explosion, and things got a little tight.
When they say that the incredible diversity of different groups appeared
over a period of 3-5 million years. You have lots of paleontologists who get REALLY uncomfortable because they are talking about mere inches of strata on one side little to know life on the other every phyllum that exists to this day - plus a few that have since gone extinct.
So the sudden appearance of complex and abundant life on earth is never to be misunderstood as the signature of creation.
And the continual discovery of dinosaur and pleistocene animals fossilized in enormous log jams of death is not to be viewed as any evidence of a global catastrophe or flood.
My favorite anomolies are the logs and trees that are found fossilized
vertically protruding through 65 million years worth of layers. Oops.
But those are theory killers so they are not displayed at the smithsonian.
To: PatrickHenry
"The breakthrough came when he realized he should start from the beginning and tell a story"Yep, how many "scientists" have figured out funding, book sales, even peer approval is tied to their ability to tell stories?
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08/29/2003 1:38:46 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
(Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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