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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

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To: kimmie7
Greta Van S. is a scientologist by the way. Public knowledge.
1,981 posted on 09/07/2003 1:58:13 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Theodore R.
Sean Hannity will criticize the Bush's on the radio but NEVER on Hannity & Colmes. He's acutely aware of the power of television.
1,982 posted on 09/07/2003 2:03:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: All
Maybe this one will spark some ideas.

American Medical News, Jan 13, 1992 v35 n2 p13(1)
MD shares personal experience in treatment withdrawal. (Kenneth Smith; care of patients in irreversible vegetative state) Brian McCormick.

1992 American Medical Association

To advocated of a family's right to withdraw life-sustaining treatment from irreversibly comatose patients, Kenneth Smith, MD, is a hero.

The chief of neurology at St. Louis University offered frank and personal testimony at a recent hearing in the most high-profile "right-to-die" case now before the courts.

The 21-year-old Busalacchi sustained severe brain damage in an auto accident 4 1/2 years ago. Her father is seeking the right to make medical decisions on her behalf, including withdrawing her artificial feeding and hydration. The state wants to block any such move.

An expert witness who has treated Busalacchi since 1987, Dr. Smith told Probate Judge Louis Kohn that she remains in a persistent vegetative state. The state Supreme Court had asked Kohn to determine Busalacchi's condition after lawyers for the state said she was no longer in a persistent vegetative state.

Dr. Smith testified that hospital administrators and staff who claimed to witness voluntary responses by Busalacchi -- such as smiles and nods -- were practicing "self-delusion." Kohn said she was "frozen in time," and that her family had the right to make medical decisions for her. The family is awaiting a state Supreme Court ruling before withdrawing treatment.

But some of Dr. Smith's most gripping testimony did not involve his assessment of Busalacchi.

When the state asked about his qualifications to assess Busalacchi's condition and the effect of removing nutrition, the neurologist gave a general answer, focusing on his professional training and experience.

But he also told a personal story. In recent months, he said, he had been involved with several patients who "brought home to me the importance of decision-making and removing artificial food and water from patients."

One case involved a massively brain-damaged and permanently comatose man whom Dr. Smith had treated for nearly two decades. When he and family members agreed to remove artificial feeding and hydration, Dr. Smith said, it was more than just the agony of letting go of a loved one that made the decision difficult.

"His family and I were constantly anxious about the fact that the state of Missouri might find out that we were doing this, and intervene with a court order to foce us to give artificial food and hydration to the patient," he said.

"The Supreme Courts of the United States and Missouri say that tube feeding can be removed only if there is clear evidence that the patient wanted it. How can this patient, whose brain was so terribly damaged at age 10, make any decision?"

The same issue is central to the Busalacchi case. Family lawyers argue that because she had been unconscious since age 17 and was to young then to express wishes, her father should be allowed to make medical decisions on her behalf. But the state says Busalacchi's father is acting as the legal guardian of an adult, not the parent of a child. Therefore, it says, he can't take such steps without state approval.

Dr. Smith said there is only one difference between the cases where he has helped families end artificial feedings in Missouri and the cases of Busalacchi or Nancy Cruzan. With his patients, "the governor, the attorney general and the right-to-life extremists didn't find out about it."

But Timothy Kelly, a lawyer representing the state in the Busalacchi case, said the courts had a role to play because this case involved a guardian's decision. He said he could not speak to the other cases in which Dr. Smith has been involved, because he was not familiar with the facts.

But Kelly added that he was concerned by Dr. Smith's admission that in at least one case, he failed to follow the stated hospital protocols before terminating treatment. "For an individual to make these kinds of decisions on their own sounds dangerous to me, and I would hope that someone within the hospital is following up on it."

But the Rev. Kevin O'Rourke, head of the health care ethics center at St. Louis University, said the treatment decisions were not made surreptitiously. "I was involved in each of the cases Dr. Smith discussed at the hearing, and each decision was reached through a very open process that involved the family, physicians, ethical experts, nurses and other staff," he said. "We didn't call the press, but we didn't operate in secret, either."

Dr. Smith also outlined a scenario that those who support the right to withdraw artificial feeding and hydration often cite as an ironic consequence of denying that right.

The neurologist wanted to perform a tracheostomy and gastrotomy on a brain-injured farm-accident victim, to facilitate a ventilator and tube feeding. The patient's family at first refused, fearing the patient would be forced to stay alive in an unconscious state.

"After a three-hour conference, Kevin O'Rourke and I were able to convince family members to do the procedures, but only after promising that if the patient showed no sign of recovery in six months, we would remove the tubes," Dr. Smith said.

I told them we were prepared to go to jain to provide proper care to the patient, and we were." The patient is now recovering reasonably well.

But perhaps Dr. Smith's most emotional testimony involved his own 27-year-old daughter, Jody, a patient with HIV infection and a terminal respiratory ailment. Dr. Smith described how he supported her decision to disconnect a life-sustaining respirator when she and her doctors agreed further treatment was futile.

The woman was given morphine to ease her pain, a choice Dr. Smith said should be available to any dying patient. "Many physicians are reluctant to offer morphine in that situation, for fear they will be accused of hastening death. I think that is ridiculous. If a patient is dying, it is appropriate and right to administer pain medication."

Minnesota neurologist Ronald Cranford, MD, who has been a consultant in the Busalacchi and similar right-to-die case, called Dr. Smith's testimony outspoken and courageous. "It's wonderful to see that even in a state like Missouri, where backward attitudes prevail, there is a doctor who steps up and says he does the right thing regardless of the consequences," he said.

But state attorney Kelly takes issue with Dr. Cranford's assessment of Missouri law. In interpreting the law in the Cruzan case, the state Supreme Court "determined that the preservation of life was imperative, to the extent that, if they were to err, they wanted to err on the side of preserving life," Kelly said. "Now some people may see that as backward; I guess it depends which side of the fence you are on."

Although the Cruzan decision limits rights of families in Missouri to make end-of-life decisions for incompetent patients, Dr. Smith does not back a health-care-surrogate law, like those in other states. On the contrary, he worries that legislative involvement might open the door to further restricting patient and family rights.

"All we need is for the Supreme Court in this state to rule that surrogates can remove artificial feedings from terminally ill patients and patients in a persistent vegetative state."

Rather than lobbying for laws, Dr. Smith said, he would like to see Missourians march on the state capital to protest "the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to care for patients in persistent vegetative states and the money spent to hire private lawyers to block families from doing the right thing." He shared his experiences as a doctor who has helped patients and families who wanted to withdraw respirators, tube feeding and other life-sustaining treatments in Missouri, one of the states with the most restrictions on when such care can be withdrawn. But he also testified as a parent, describing how, only a few months ago, he supported his dying daughter's decision to disconnect her ventilator. Dr. Smith's comments came at a November 1991 hearing in the case of Christine Busalacchi, whose care is the focus of the latest "right-to-die" debate in Missouri.

1,983 posted on 09/07/2003 2:04:52 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Theodore R.
The Catholic Attorneys from New Jersey filed their own Brief for the Hearing held last week before Judge Lazzara in Tampa. There are quite a few church web sites who I believe to be the first wave of Terri supporters. I am part of the 2nd wave which I define as group #2 who were outraged when Judge George Greer snubbed Governor Bush's request for a Guardian Ad Litem to bring neutrality back to the process.

Judge Greer, Atty Felos and Michael Schiavo don't want to bring neutrality back to the process because then, there's a good chance Terri will win back her life.

1,984 posted on 09/07/2003 2:08:44 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Theodore R.
I suspect that the F.S. exit protocols may have been written exclusively for Michael Schiavo. Someone needs to get the DATE those statutes went into effect.

They are cited by the Supremes of Fla. & it's posted on this thread.

Who LOBBIED HARD for those? Who created them and which Governor signed them into law? Isn't that how it goes?

1,985 posted on 09/07/2003 2:14:00 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
That just makes me mad. But I 'needed' to read it. Thanks for the info.
1,986 posted on 09/07/2003 2:20:51 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: blueriver; windchime; kimmie7; Theodore R.; pc93; cake_crumb; AnnaZ; Ragtime Cowgirl
Judge Greer of the 6th Judicial Circuit is "hell bent" on Terri's exit protocol. He failed to follow his oath by not protecting the person or property of Terri Schinder-Schiavo. Hubby Michael used her rehab money for his right to kill Terri Attorney. Judge Greer has approved every measure that has stunted her recovery and is "on board" with husband Michael Schiavo and Attorney Felos whose spin is basically "Been there done that. Let's get on with it." Judge Greer has never even seen Terri in person and is a marathon runner. JUDGE GEORGE GREER SHOULD BE IMPEACHED and the case should be assigned to another Judge and a guardian ad litem assigned.

And to current guardian and serial husband, "bye, bye, bye." I think it's good to call the husband a SERIAL HUSBAND. Combined with the right slogan, SERIAL HUSBAND, SERIAL JUDGE. Beware! Something like that?

Can anyone tell I'm trying to be post #2000?

1,987 posted on 09/07/2003 2:31:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: yesnettv; kimmie7; phenn
To: yesnettv, Start handing out fliers at GOP rallys that are unrelated. If you go to GOP rallys, assuming you are in Kalli-fornya, make up a great flier and hand them out there. If we get west coast conservatives on this, they can work the media, the D.C. Bureaucrats and also help us ANNOY GOVERNOR BUSH into holding an emergency session of the Fla. legislature. Terri deserves a neutral guardian ad litem, not a SERIAL HUSBAND AND SERIAL JUDGE.

All contact information is at post #1753.

Although ultimately, Terri's life is in God's hands, I wasn't put on this earth to sit idly by. We are doing His work.

If California (former state of mine) would join us, Florida thanks you. FYI: We have studied Terri's fight from a legal perspective, medical perspective and moral perspective. THIS ISN'T RIGHT!!! We need to spread moral outrage from coast to coast before Sept. 11, 2003 and continuing. Please freep your Nevada friends and other states surrounding kall-i-forn-nya.

1,988 posted on 09/07/2003 2:43:25 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
Judge Greer prohibits her "real family" from bringing any camera equipment into her room. He is part of the grand conspiracy to always rule in favor of Terri's SERIAL HUSBAND.

It's football season and I've read that her dad shares football jokes with her. Whatever Terri's life experience is, who are they to judge-decide if it's good enough? It's been good enough for her over 13 years already! STILL URGING EVERYONE TO CALL GOVERNOR BUSH. Contact info is at #1753.

1,989 posted on 09/07/2003 2:47:48 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Judge Greer keeps asking a disabled Floridian to PROVE TO HIM THAT SHE CAN DO THIS TRICK OR THAT. Healthy people, medical prostitutes, pro-death attorneys and evil spouses have their own special "means testing". Breathing on her own - zero points, responsive - zero points, 13 years - zero points, no organ failure - zero points, chronic not terminal - zero points.

ONE FEEDING TUBE - SHE MUST DIE. Means testing with Judge Greer's seal of approval and hubby's attorney, George Felos cheers him on.

It's early in the morning. I feel somewhat melodramatic when I'm not quite awake.

1,990 posted on 09/07/2003 2:55:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter
Merry Christmas...a bit early. I hope this hasn't been posted. And that it gives some talking points for people calling and writing...

112.52 Removal of a public official when a method is not otherwise provided.--

(1) When a method for removal from office is not otherwise provided by the State Constitution or by law, the Governor may by executive order suspend from office an elected or appointed public official, by whatever title known, who is indicted or informed against for commission of any felony, or for any misdemeanor arising directly out of his or her official conduct or duties, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term.

(2) During the period of the suspension, the public official shall not perform any official act, duty, or function or receive any pay, allowance, emolument, or privilege of office. (3) If convicted, the public official may be removed from office by executive order of the Governor. For the purpose of this section, any person who pleads guilty or nolo contendere or who is found guilty shall be deemed to have been convicted, notwithstanding the suspension of sentence or the withholding of adjudication. (4) If the public official is acquitted or found not guilty, or the charges are otherwise dismissed, the Governor shall by executive order revoke the suspension; and the public official shall be entitled to full back pay and such other emoluments or allowances to which he or she would have been entitled had he or she not been suspended. History.--s. 1, ch. 80-333; s. 720, ch. 95-147.

1,991 posted on 09/07/2003 2:55:46 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: floriduh voter
There's a flyer at terrisfight.org

I have made one as well. It's at www.geocities.com/kimmiefreep/schiavo/schiavo2.pdf

1,992 posted on 09/07/2003 2:59:09 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Judge Greer himself is GUILTY of legal malpractice! He has his own sound bites on local radio i.e. "I'm following the rule of law, not public pressure."

He knows good and well that the rule of law is FAULTY. Activist Judges are the first ones to harp away about the rule of law. But, Judge Greer doesn't have a leg to stand on if this becomes a Federal matter. I CAN'T BELIEVE JUDGE GEORGE GREER ISN'T BEING INVESTIGATED by a "secret panel". We do have the FBI's tampa email and phone number on this thread.

1,993 posted on 09/07/2003 3:03:50 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
Your research and medical perspective are an asset to this thread. (and I am trying to bump this thread to 2000 posts. Have a pleasant Sunday) FV
1,994 posted on 09/07/2003 3:07:08 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter
I will, hopefully, have copies of the 'exit protocol' and the authors of said statute tomorrow. I'm just too tired to stay up.
1,995 posted on 09/07/2003 3:09:26 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: kimmie7
Good morning. I'll probably read the paper soon and then go back to bed.

ALL: PLEASE NOTE kimmie7's post above with "procedures to SUSPEND A JUDGE" i.e. Judge George Greer, 6th Circuit Pasco-Pinellas County Guardianship-Probate Section.

1,996 posted on 09/07/2003 3:15:03 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: kimmie7
Oh, and by the way, we were musing quite a few pages back as to whether or not adultery was still on the books as a crime. It is. I have been going through the 2003 Florida State Statutes tonight. Adultery/Cohabitation are 2nd Degree Misdemeanor offenses.
1,997 posted on 09/07/2003 3:20:14 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: kimmie7
You've been up all this time? Go to bed! I am looking forward to seeing those exit protocol statutes and the author of. You might be better at finding them than me and I can tell that I'm hitting the pillow again real soon. I'll be back mid-day.

President Bush says "help a neighbor." Everyone, HELP US HELP TERRI. See post 1753 for Governor Bush's phone number and others. Thanks, FV

1,998 posted on 09/07/2003 3:22:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
When I heard that Governor Bush got 27K emails about Terri and that Judge Greer snubbed Governor Bush, I WAS OUTRAGED. That was when Judge Greer opened a can of worms. I think his career is over, Hospice's donations will go down and hubby & counsel are as depicted by posters here. We didn't dream this stuff up and it's startling.
1,999 posted on 09/07/2003 3:26:31 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter; phenn
This may be post 2000, a MILESTONE FOR TERRI!
2,000 posted on 09/07/2003 3:29:55 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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