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To: MineralMan
But there must be the pre-existence of the object of your disbelief, correct, for you to disbelieve it? Correct? Otherwise, how do you explain the concrete manifestation, even if in an epistomological mode, of God or gods who is/are to be disbelieved?
36 posted on 08/27/2003 9:46:53 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saddam Had No Taepodong-II nuke ICBMs capable of hitting the World's Largest & 2nd Largest Economies)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
But there must be the pre-existence of the object of your disbelief, correct, for you to disbelieve it? Correct? Otherwise, how do you explain the concrete manifestation, even if in an epistomological mode, of God or gods who is/are to be disbelieved?

You're argument is fatally flawed. For example: I do not believe in Thor, does it logically follow that Thor exists? I do not believe in elves, does it logically follow that there must be the pre-existence of elves? No, of course not.

Or if you insist, to put in epistemological terms that jive with the "everything is known" philosophical BS, yes atheists believe in gods, but not tangible gods. Rather, gods of the imagination, the sole product of the mind of man.

51 posted on 08/27/2003 10:01:38 AM PDT by Melas
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"But there must be the pre-existence of the object of your disbelief, correct, for you to disbelieve it? Correct? "

Not at all correct. I don't believe in the Man in the Moon, either, nor in the Easter Bunny, nor in little green men on Mars. There is no pre-existence of any of these. They simply do not exist. It is the same with deities and other supernatural entities. I don't believe that your deity exists, nor do I believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, Satan, or any other thing that does not exist in the physical world.

I disbelieve in all of these things. I do not believe they exist. That you believe in a deity does not make that deity exist. It only makes your _belief_ exist.

61 posted on 08/27/2003 10:07:40 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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