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To: jimt
This is where the discussion breaks down - characterizing a firmly held belief for one person as a fact for others. "Facts" should be observable. The "Good News" idea is demonstrably not observable.

No it doesn't and yes it is. Will you not agree that there is a book of written words, titled the "Bible." Within that "book" with numerous sections, chapters, pages, etc., there is a "story", a theme, a plot that is woven throughout from cover-to-cover. If one were to read the Bible as strictly a "story" -- a fictional one at that -- then it's a story that starts and ends on a positive note, with a positive message, with a whole lot of intensity in between. The "GOOD NEWS" as detailed in the "story" is the focal point of plot/theme, within the context of the "fictional" story itself. So, for those of you who choose to disavow the contents, you're perfectly within your right to do so, but it doesn't negate the FACT that there is a BOOK called the BIBLE with a story therein that points to GOOD NEWS as delineated throughout the text. THAT, my friend, is fact.

338 posted on 08/27/2003 12:48:45 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Mean Maryjean
So, for those of you who choose to disavow the contents, you're perfectly within your right to do so, but it doesn't negate the FACT that there is a BOOK called the BIBLE with a story therein that points to GOOD NEWS as delineated throughout the text. THAT, my friend, is fact.

There is a book called the Bible. Indisputable fact.

Here we part company.

The Bible, which I've read many times, is more a collection of stories than one story. There is a major change in tone between the Old Testament and the New Testament. The four Gospels seem different to me than the writings of Paul. Revelations seems to stand largely on its own.

I understand what you're saying regarding "GOOD NEWS" - that God gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life. You believe that is 'GOOD NEWS" and you're entitled to that belief. There are people who do not, and that makes it opinion rather than fact.

362 posted on 08/27/2003 1:25:48 PM PDT by jimt
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