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Mars Approaches: When Neanderthals saw what we see now
The New York Times ^ | August 24, 2003

Posted on 08/25/2003 1:02:05 PM PDT by presidio9

We are so used to the routine circularity of our astronomical lives — the Moon revolving around us as we spin our way around the Sun — that we forget what a universe of singularities this really is. Some things happen every day, like sunrise and sunset, some only once a year, like annual meteor showers, and some occur on more elliptical schedules, like the return of certain comets. And then there are the rare conjunctions of heavenly bodies that would be starkly visible to us if we lived without artificial light, but that most of us have to admire intellectually instead. A case in point is the present proximity of Mars.

Next Wednesday, Mars and Earth will be almost as close together as they ever get: 34,646,418 miles apart. At dark, under the red glare of Mars, which is now the brightest object in the night sky, that number is very hard to take literally. So is the fact that 59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering just how close that red planet was going to come. That was the last time Earth and Mars were so near. Sixty thousand years is the blink of an eye in our planet's long history. But the Neanderthals still had some 30,000 years left, and the whole of what humans have done and undone was undreamt of. In 284 years Mars and Earth will be closer still, and someone will look back upon us and wonder what those 284 years have meant. It is impossible to guess from here.

If you like, you can imagine a race of Martians wondering how close the blue planet is going to come and perhaps taking precautions. But a Mars without Martians is glorious enough. To watch the night sky with Mars kindling in Aquarius is to glimpse dimly a universe beyond the insubstantial aspic of human thought. Even under our shroud of light, we pay attention when Mars comes by. It draws us out to gaze at it against the backdrop of this unrepeatable universe, which we like to pretend is so strangely familiar.


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1 posted on 08/25/2003 1:02:06 PM PDT by presidio9
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So is the fact that 59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering just how close that red planet was going to come.

Uh, dude, they had no idea what planets and stars were.

Another fine NY Times editorial moment.

2 posted on 08/25/2003 1:04:14 PM PDT by dirtboy (Press Alt-Ctrl-Del to reset this tagline)
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To: presidio9
Hmmmm....I remember reading about 6 years ago that at exactly this time would be a perfect opportunity to have a manned mission en route to Mars, for exactly this purpose. I guessed me missed the opportunity.
3 posted on 08/25/2003 1:06:14 PM PDT by rs79bm (There's a RINO missing from the California zoo, and goes by the first name of ARNOLD.)
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To: presidio9
That can't be!!!! Everyone knows the universe is only 6 thousand years old!!!!

;)

4 posted on 08/25/2003 1:08:05 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: presidio9
So is the fact that 59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering just how close that red planet was going to come.

If the Neanderthals noticed it at all (and that's a big "if"), there is no reason to think they would have understood the ramifications of its proximity at all, or even cared. "Yesterday, no bright light there. Today, bright light there. Where's my food?"

Ask an African bushman what he thinks about it. Now shave his intelligence by about 90 percent. That's what the Neanderthal was thinking.

5 posted on 08/25/2003 1:08:07 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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So is the fact that 59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering just how close that red planet was going to come.

Fact? Where is the fact? We cannot find anything linking humans to this exact age!

if there were Neanderthals, how did they know this planet to be getting closer?

6 posted on 08/25/2003 1:09:34 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I seem to be the source of gravity, everything seems to fall on me....)
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To: presidio9
Neanderthals

Yeah they and the Easterbunny.

7 posted on 08/25/2003 1:11:01 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: presidio9
So is the fact that 59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering just how close that red planet was going to come.

Fact? Where is the fact? We cannot find anything linking humans to this exact age!

if there were Neanderthals, how did they know this planet to be getting closer?

8 posted on 08/25/2003 1:11:34 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I seem to be the source of gravity, everything seems to fall on me....)
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As a conservative supporter of Tom McClintock, I can speak for the Neanderthals and say that its just as impressive now as it was then.
9 posted on 08/25/2003 1:12:59 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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Uh, dude, they had no idea what planets and stars were

I'd bet there are more people in this world today,
who have no idea what planets and stars are, than there were
Neanderthals 59,619 years ago.

10 posted on 08/25/2003 1:13:41 PM PDT by ASA Vet ("No Comment.")
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To: Zavien Doombringer
We cannot find anything linking humans to this exact age!

Huh?

11 posted on 08/25/2003 1:15:05 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: biblewonk
Yeah they and the Easterbunny.

You one of those 4004 BC types?

12 posted on 08/25/2003 1:17:06 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ASA Vet
mmmmmmm, mammoth burgers
13 posted on 08/25/2003 1:17:59 PM PDT by Spaghetti Man
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To: RoughDobermann
There isn't anything in the fossil record indicating that humans have been around that long...
14 posted on 08/25/2003 1:19:18 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I seem to be the source of gravity, everything seems to fall on me....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
if there were Neanderthals, how did they know this planet to be getting closer?

Obviously they didn't know what a planet was, but I'd imagine seeing the bright light in the sky where there was a dim one before aroused the curiosity of some of them. ...the more intelligent ones, at least.

15 posted on 08/25/2003 1:19:46 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: presidio9
hmmm. Mars is the god of war is it? Astologers could have a hay day with the near approach of the god of war.
16 posted on 08/25/2003 1:20:51 PM PDT by week 71
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To: presidio9
"59,619 years ago, Earth's Neanderthals were staring skyward and wondering..."

Uuunggg. Duuuuhhh.

17 posted on 08/25/2003 1:21:25 PM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: week 71
Astologers could have a hay day with the near approach of the god of war.

A friend of mine works at a new age bookstore in L.A., and she told me that astrologers, psychics, channelers, and all the rest of the loons are playing this up for all it's worth.

18 posted on 08/25/2003 1:23:00 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Bird

"Yesterday, no bright light there. Today, bright light there. Where's my food?"
Ask an African bushman what he thinks about it. Now shave his intelligence by about 90 percent. That's what the Neanderthal was thinking.

Oh! You mean about the level of the typical government schooled liberal. ;-)

19 posted on 08/25/2003 1:24:47 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The Federal Register is printed on pulp from The Tree Of Liberty)
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To: presidio9
A beautiful example of the clueless pretending to think deep thoughts.

Close approaches of Mars occur every 15-17 years. This approach, while the closest in many millenia, is only a fraction closer than many other "favorable" approaches -- for example, this year Mars will span 25.11 arc seconds as seen from Earth, while in 1971 the apparent diameter was 24.9 arc seconds.

That difference would hardly have impressed a Neanderthal, though evidently New York Times writers are much easier to amaze.

20 posted on 08/25/2003 1:26:05 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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