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To: risk
what's a worse political environment, pre-reformation Christian Europe or Cuban communism? It always sucks when the government mandates the religion of the people, whether it's Christianity or atheism. The fact that Alabama recognizes the Author of all just law is not a mandate. Castro's atheism, Charlemagne's Christianity, or Rome's Caesar worship is mandated under threat of execution.

Don't you see the common traits in the decision to FORCE the removal of the monument? The forced recognition of atheism? You are opposing your own viewpoint.

266 posted on 08/21/2003 8:39:03 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** God may not be a Republican, but Satan is definitely a Democrat!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Don't you see the common traits in the decision to FORCE the removal of the monument? The forced recognition of atheism? You are opposing your own viewpoint.

No, you're still missing my point. The monument is not on private property. What is done with that particular part of Alabama is wholly up to the laws of our land, which based on the judges who have been appointed by leaders whom Alabamans and Americans have elected, state that the monument must go. There is nothing arbitrary about that force. It is constitutional, and it is even supported by AG Pryor.

Castro's atheism, Charlemagne's Christianity, or Rome's Caesar worship is mandated under threat of execution.

And if we disregard the revolutionary strides made in American society away from religious oppression going back to the arrival of the Pilgrims and the abolishment of the Church of England's control over this country, then we slide back toward state religious oppression one frustrating disagreement at a time. You may be vexed by the disposition of a certain slab of rock today, and tomorrow I may be irritated by a greedy televangelist, but both of us must live under the laws of the land. The first amendment is a rational law, justified by its purpose and utility to all citizens. It dictates that government avoid sectarian justification for its actions and eschew the invisible and irrational arguments of relgious passion in its considerations. It also upholds the telvangelist's right to espouse any beliefs he wants in public.

In a democracy, people will disagree about many things, even the reasoning and motivations for a given law. But these frustrations are normal in a democratic republic. They're normal in a land where not everyone believes the same creed or metaphysics. We may disagree, but we are both Americans and we both are bound to obey the laws unless they are unjust. (But we must be prepared to pay the consequences if we do choose to disobey an unjust law, and we must absolutely avoid harming others in the process of disregarding them.)

There are issues with freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of conscience in our secularization of society, no doubt about it. But for people like me who find no comfort in the Christianizing of our government, I will continue to support the status quo. There are other ways to solve the problems sought to be resolved by "bringing back Christ into our government."

270 posted on 08/21/2003 10:23:37 PM PDT by risk
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