To: moneyrunner
Whats interesting is that Judge Moore is the first major public figure to take on the Christian bashers unapologetically. Its refreshing. The problem is that he does it with a clumsy and overbearing manner that I find that I can't support. His comments on CNBC repeatedly cited his refusal to follow the orders of the higher court as "upholding the Constitution." But I can see how his actions aren't Constitutional, and so it's all the more ridiculous in my eyes.
I hear cries of "well, there are 10 commandment slabs on the Supreme Court building in DC!" OK fine. Those aren't bothering anyone. Well they weren't until somebody brought it up. Now the ACLU or some other dabbling agency or individual will try to have them taken down as well. A secular argument for keeping them up would mean something to me. A cry of "This is a Christian Nation!" doesn't stand up for me. I'm not a Christian, and I don't think I have to accept someone trying to represent my government as exclusively Christian. That excludes me. I don't want to be excluded from public service, any more than Atty. Gen. Bill Pryor does. (By the way, I support Pryor's nomination to the 11th court of appeals, and I've already asked my liberal senator to step aside and allow him to be nominated.)
I'm sympathetic to the Christian whose beliefs are held up as a reason for excluding him from public service and so forth, but when people call for millions of Americans to go and defend this buffoon and his fundamentalist courtroom drama (defend how?), I find that I prefer the status quo.
244 posted on
08/21/2003 5:15:15 AM PDT by
risk
To: risk
Thank you for your well modulated reply. As I have told others on these threads, while I am a Christian, I try to apply logic and reason to this discussion. In that spirit, allow me to reply to each of your points.
First, you object to his manner. That should have no bearing on the facts of the case. I understand that lots of the founders were arrogant (Jefferson comes to mind). However, too often arrogance is ascribed to people who are forceful in opposition to you. You may want to examine your own attitude and see if this is not what grates on you about Judge Moore.
You have much in common with Judge Thompson who decide against Judge Moore and ordered the removal of the monument. I invite you to read the 83 page opinion, as I did, or to see my summary on posting #238. Thompson goes to great lengths to delve into Judge Moores faith and his motivations. From this, one can possibly infer that Judge Moore has been found guilty of thought crime.
Second, it is not in the interest of you or anyone else in this country to live in fear of the ACLU and too keep our heads down in fear that we will be sued. To be sure, that is the position of many, including schools, churches and municipalities. But it should not be the attitude of free men.
For a reasoned and secular argument for the monument, I draw your attention to Judge Moores speech which I have posted (#242).
Thank you for your support of Mr. Pryor, although I doubt if it will have any impact on your Senator.
I do not find any reason for your fear that you will not be eligible for public service as a result of your status as a non-Christian. So far it appears that the only people who have to fear the religious test for public office are committed Christians.
Your reference to Judge Moore as a buffoon is unworthy of the rest of your comments. For the same reason I will not refer to you as an anti-Christian bigot. I hope that your slip does not reveal a hidden antipathy to people of faith.
250 posted on
08/21/2003 6:46:12 AM PDT by
moneyrunner
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