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Janitor Beaten Outside Church (Pastor Preached Against Homosexuality)
The Plain Dealer (Cleveland) ^ | 08-19-03 | Sarah Treffinger

Posted on 08/19/2003 8:08:07 AM PDT by Paved Paradise

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To: gedeon3
The reason I wanted to post this item (I apologize to everyone that I did not have a proper link) was because I knew we were heading down this road and it is very frightening to me. To think that a preacher could be in jeopardy for preaching what the Bible teaches us should give us all pause to consider the ramifications of where this could lead.

However, I consider the word "fag" a vulgarity and I try to maintain a higher standard in my communications. I believe we are to love people and speak the truth in love, as the Scriptures teach us. Please try and be a little kinder dear sir/madam.
21 posted on 08/19/2003 8:39:44 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
I'm not sure this incident passes the smell test. Although gay militants have engaged in disruptive acts and acts of vandalism against church property, I'm not aware they have crossed the line into acts of physical violence against persons. Gays are normally well aware of how things will play in the press, and beating up a janitor will not play well. So I'm not quite ready to believe this incident happened as described.
22 posted on 08/19/2003 8:40:27 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: Steve_Seattle
I personally believe someone IS setting up Pastor Endrei, but I have nothing to support that other than gut feeling.
23 posted on 08/19/2003 8:41:11 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
I gather from this "this is a message FOR Pastor Paul" that it was a beating AGAINST the church's stance against homosexuality. Why does the janitor have to be a homosexual? Couldn't pro-homosexual goons have done the attack and just attacked the first man they found on site?

There was another thread where a Texas Episcopalian church was set fire (with lighter fluid) and reportedly some prohomsexual graffitti was found (something along the lines of "Jesus loves homosexuals").

24 posted on 08/19/2003 8:41:20 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail
Surely if this was a homosexual beating this would have made national media?

Without a doubt.

I will speculate that progressive brownshirts are behind this beating.

25 posted on 08/19/2003 8:42:23 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Huck
I agree that it seems as if something was "off" but then again, our paper here in Cleveland is filled with typos and I wouldn't necessarily assume that anything in quotation marks is the actual quote. People screw up all the time. But I do know that this church would not equivocate and Pastor Endrei would not be soft on this matter. It is not my church but it is well known in the community and many local celebrities attend there.
26 posted on 08/19/2003 8:43:57 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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GAY JANITOR BEATEN. . . .

Is the job description for a gay janitor different than a job description for a janitor? Seriously.

On being kinder. When the gays and their advocates in the mainstream denounce the torture and murder of children by gays with the same intensity of the Shepard case then allegations that a gay was a victim of "hate" will move me.

For example, the case of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising was ignored by the mainstream even to the extent that complaints to the Washington Post's ombudsman were answered claiming that there "was nothing to learn from the case." It wasn't news. It didn't happen in the D.C area. Neither did the Shepard murder.

But a google of the Washington Post site for Shepard, shepard site:www.washingtonpost.com, got 74 hits. The same search for Dirkhising, Dirkhising site:www.washingtonpost.com, got zero hits.

27 posted on 08/19/2003 8:47:15 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: dighton
At that point, Bilski said, one man berated him with obscenities and another struck him in the face with a tennis racket.

What sort of redneck would use a tennis racket to beat someone up? Perhaps this is a sign of the brownshirts' sexual proclivities...

28 posted on 08/19/2003 8:49:34 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Steve_Seattle
Gays who are older and more "in the system" understand the power of perception and the press. But the newest gays - those under 18 - have the same behavioral problems as other sexually precocious juvenile males. The more sexually active teenaged boys are, the more likely they are to be involved with drugs, alcohol, or other illegal activities. Hence, you basically have gangstas, thugs, and other delinquents, but they're also gay.

Juvenile delinquents and young criminal males might not be the population the gay community was hoping would jump on the band-wagon, but not all gays are sweet, shy choir boys. Now the gay community have to deal with it...
29 posted on 08/19/2003 8:56:44 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: Paved Paradise
OK, now that you've dragged the janitor through the mud.... Here's an article that mentions Richard Bilski's charity work - also that he is a husband and the father of three boys.
30 posted on 08/19/2003 9:00:09 AM PDT by willieroe
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To: Paved Paradise
They become more brazen by the day.

The coming backlash will be amusing to watch.
31 posted on 08/19/2003 9:15:27 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Paved Paradise
The janitor is NOT gay. They beat him because they couldn't find the pastor and they wanted to take it out on someone.

They gays on the west side feel that they own the world.
32 posted on 08/19/2003 9:16:43 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: PeterPrinciple
And I guess the two guys that beat up the janitor were just living examples of 'tolerance'.
33 posted on 08/19/2003 9:18:55 AM PDT by Godzilla (If you're living like there's no hell - you'd better be right.)
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To: Godzilla
The "guys" that beat the janitor were militant gays. You can bet on it.
34 posted on 08/19/2003 9:20:50 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: scripter; ArGee
Ping!
35 posted on 08/19/2003 9:23:25 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I think it goes beyond that. We're headed toward 'anything short of open endorsement' is hatred. Neutral acknowledgment of homosexuality is not even strong enough for this agenda.

Soon, following that line of 'reasoning', the practice of heterosexuality could be seen as hatred because it rejects homosexuality by definition. Scary stuff.

36 posted on 08/19/2003 9:25:55 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: Paved Paradise
"If they don't preach tolerance, they are preaching violence," Harris said.

What a disgusting sentiment. "Embrace my perversion, or I'm justified in beating the crap out of you." We see who the real intolerant bunch is here.

37 posted on 08/19/2003 9:25:55 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Paved Paradise
Looks like the gays and their supporters are getting rather violent, like this recent attack on a Kenyan bishop.
38 posted on 08/19/2003 9:30:26 AM PDT by Eala (When politicians speak of children, count the spoons. - National Review Editors)
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To: willieroe
I didn't drag anyone through the mud buddy. But I'm surprised that Mr. Bilski wasn't quoted as saying that he is not gay. Maybe he still is and has a family. I'm not judging HIM. I'm just saying that the spin on this is that a preacher is inciting "hate."
39 posted on 08/19/2003 9:30:35 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: hellinahandcart
Good point.
40 posted on 08/19/2003 9:31:46 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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