Secret treaties challenge American sovereignty

WorldNetDaily ^ | August 17, 2003 | Paul Rush

[TBP]

Doesn't anyone care about American sovereignty anymore?

[Paleo Conservative]

So I had to read the whole article to find out that the treaties are not, in fact, secret.

Damned! You beat me!

[Lurker]

Secret Treaties.

Great Blue Oyster Cult album.

L

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

You read the entire thing? I didn't have time to. How are US citizens in US soil affected by this? [Time for work. FReegards....]

[eno_]

Nor do they give away sovereignty. The principle of dual illegality preserves sovereignty. Imagine if we had to hand over people to foreign governments for whatever "crimes" they might concoct.

[TBP]

I agree with your position, but how can the U.S. government be forced to comply with the provisions of a treaty to which it is not a party? What does the Eeeeyew do if our government simply says, "Sorry, but we're not providing that information"? Sue us at the World Court?

[TBP]

I repeat my question, however. How do you force teh U.S. to turn over these records unless we are a party to the treaty?

[TBP]

If our government ratifies this, we will lose a ggod deal of sovereignty. Until then, some other country's law isn't going to bind us.

But this treaty must be defeated because it diminishes our ability to deal appropriately with terrorists while limiting our civil liberties.

And this is from a Republican administration!

[eno_]

I was referring only to the doctrine of dual illegality. I don't know if it is embodied correctly in this treaty.

The financial reporting agreement is surely an intolerable act. But look at what we have with the Patriot Act, and its predecessors: We have no financial privacy in the U.S. Any Barney Fife can call up all your financial records with no warrant. Why not send them to France for good measure?

That's why I'm for an NRST. It would end all the tax-related excuses for all the financial invasion of privacy we suffer.

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[Ethan_Allen]

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Multiple postings of unsolicitated material (doubly applicable to the really long-winded stuff).

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