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To: NutCrackerBoy
'The state is a contract between generations, past, present, and future. The elected representatives at any given time are mere custodians.' -NutCrackerBoy

...Hmmm...Interesting definition for the 'state'...Haven't seen this one before...Is this your defition or a quote from another source? I'm not sure if I agree with this or not...I will have to think about this for a while...You are either a genius or quite daft...I will have to get back to you...Thanks... ;-)
47 posted on 08/17/2003 10:46:42 PM PDT by MayDay72 (Welfare Statism = Socialism)
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To: MayDay72
You are [...] quite daft.

Guilty as charged. Not to mention obscure.

Here are some excerpts from the essay Why I became a conservative by Roger Scruton, published in the February 2003 issue of The New Criterion.

Law is constrained at every point by reality, and utopian visions have no place in it. Moreover the common law of England is proof that there is a real distinction between legitimate and illegitimate power, that power can exist without oppression, and that authority is a living force in human conduct. English law, I discovered, is the answer to Foucault.

Burke was not writing about socialism, but about revolution. Nevertheless he persuaded me that the utopian promises of socialism go hand in hand with a wholly abstract vision of the human mind - a geometrical version of our mental processes which has only the vaguest relation to the thoughts and feelings by which real human beings live. He persuaded me that societies are not and cannot be organized according to a plan or a goal, that there is no direction to history, and no such thing as moral or spiritual progress.

Society, [Burke] argued, is not held together by the abstract rights of the citizen, as the French Revolutionaries supposed. It is held together by authority - by which is meant the right to obedience, rather than the mere power to compel it.

Burke was holding up old view of man in society, as subject of a sovereign, against the new view of him, as citizen of a state [... ,] a far more effective guarantee of the liberties of the individual than the new idea, which was founded in the promise of those very liberties, only abstractly, universally, and therefore unreally defined.

Although society can be seen as a contract, [Burke] argued, we must recognize that most parties to the contract are either dead or not yet born. The effect of the contemporary Rousseaist ideas of social contract was to place the present members of society in a position of dictatorial dominance over those who went before and those who came after them. Hence these ideas led directly to the massive squandering of inherited resources at the [French] Revolution, and to the cultural and ecological vandalism that Burke was perhaps the first to recognize as the principal danger of modern politics. In Burke's eyes the self-righteous contempt for ancestors which characterized the Revolutionaries was also a disinheriting of the unborn. Rightly understood, he argued, society is a partnership among the dead, the living, and the unborn, and without what he called the "hereditary principle", according to which rights could be inherited as well as acquired, both the dead and the unborn would be disenfranchized. Indeed, respect for the dead was, in Burke's view, the only real safeguard that the unborn could obtain, in a world that gave all its privileges to the living. His preferred vision of society was not as a contract, in fact, but as a trust, with theliving members as trustees of an inheritance that they must strive to enhance and pass on.

Henceforth I understood conservatism not as a political credo only, but as a lasting vision of human society, one whose truth would always be hard to perceive, harder still to communicate, and hardest of all to act upon. And especially hard is it now, when religious sentiments follow the whim of fashion, when the global economy throws our local loyalties into disarray, and when materialism and luxury deflect the spirit from the proper business of living. But I do not despair, since experience has taught me that men and women can flee from the truth only for so long, that they will always, in the end, be reminded of the permanent values, and that the dreams of liberty, equality, and fraternity, will excite them only in the short term.

59 posted on 08/18/2003 7:44:26 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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