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.."No Recall" Judge FOGEL = Friend of CLINTON "No Under God Pledge" Judge REINHARDT..
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 08/16/2003 | Monte Morin

Posted on 08/16/2003 10:13:44 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

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To: Joy Angela
HILLARY is "FREDDIE"
121 posted on 08/20/2003 7:42:14 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: Republic; onyx; Fred Mertz; ALOHA RONNIE
ALOHA RONNIE bump!
122 posted on 08/21/2003 11:24:29 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Ronnie, any more on the military ballots? Any CA press or talk show hosts covering this? I e-mailed the DoD. I want to mass-e-mail the news, but when the "news" isn't covering the news it's difficult to get others to believe.
123 posted on 08/22/2003 6:06:11 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (#1 problem in Iraq = the PRESS. Help the troops: http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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To: All; Ragtime Cowgirl; generalissimoduane; RonDog; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Republic; Registered; ..
...I sent this Thread off to Buena Park's Pastor WILEY DRAKE who organized our last Anti-Judge REINHARDT Demonstrations that were covered on TV. I'm sure HUGH HEWITT has already seen this Thread as he often refers to our work on Freerepublic.com on his afternoon Nationally syndicated Talk Radio Show.

...These Demonstrations got Judge REINHARDT's 'No Under GOD in our Pledge of Allegiance' Ruling attriubted to him, away from the Retired Judge he got to write that 9th Circuit Decision as his cover.

...There he goes, REINHARDT behaving just like a CLINTON again.

We shall soon see what happens this time..?
124 posted on 08/22/2003 7:25:00 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
It deserves Big Time attention from the press. They want to bring up election 2000 and call our CIC illegitimate during wartime, we had better hear about the CA DEM Judge thinking about DIS-enfranchising once again the only legal votes disenfranchised during election 2000 in Florida - the brave military men and women serving overseas.
125 posted on 08/22/2003 11:40:23 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (#1 problem in Iraq = the PRESS. Help the troops: http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
AMEN, RC, well said.
126 posted on 08/22/2003 11:44:30 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Ronnie, would you consider doing a separate thread. Headline something like: 'CA Judge DISENFRANCHISING the military vote?! '...headline news, of course.

Pre-emptive strike is in order, don't you think?

127 posted on 08/22/2003 3:00:17 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Troops can handle the enemy.Help them inform the world!~http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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headline breaking news, of course.
128 posted on 08/22/2003 3:01:27 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Troops can handle the enemy.Help them inform the world!~http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Carl/NewsMax; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Alamo-Girl; Mia T; VOA; Fred Mertz; ...
...I just Alerted the listeners on the Salem Christian Broadcasting Network's "DUFFY & CO" Talk Radio Show about Judge FOGEL's stopping the mailing out of our Military's California Recall Ballots as he prepares to postpone the Recall
Election back to March 2004.

...Radio Host Rev. WARREN DUFFEY was the BEACH BOYS' P/R Manager during the 1970's and his "DUFFY & CO" Talk Radio Show is broadcast across the country as well as live on the Internet.

http://www.kkla.com


129 posted on 08/22/2003 6:47:41 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: All; Ragtime Cowgirl
...The Monday after this Judge FOGEL "Temporary" NO RECALL" Decision the Justice Dept gave its immediate Pre-clearance for 1 of the 4 Minority-Challenged Counties (Monterey) Judge FOGEL was using as his excuse to not go ahead with the October 7th Election.

...Still no word yet from the Justice Dept on its Pre-Clearance for the other 3 Counties which is imperative for the RECALL to go ahead on October 7th.

Still Checking...
130 posted on 08/26/2003 5:08:05 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Two of the cases are still pending, I think Ronnie - and left-wing lawyers are still actively working to derail the recall (and disenfranchise even a few military votes, imho), count on it.

Forget my other post, perhaps the info could be useful here:

The background:
Posted on Wed, Aug. 20, 2003
RECALL REVIEW

Justice Department still assessing Monterey County's consolidation of precincts

The U.S. Department of Justice on Tuesday approved Oct. 7 as an acceptable date for California's recall election, but federal officials are still reviewing whether Monterey County can reduce the number of polling places and whether Proposition 54 can be on the ballot, a department spokesman said.

The decision is one step toward cementing Oct. 7 as the recall election date, but it is not the final word. The Justice Department's Office of Civil Rights has yet to decide on two voting rights issues raised in federal lawsuits currently before the courts.

Monterey County, which has a special designation under federal law because of a history of low minority voter turnout, remains at the center of the legal battles.

"At this point we are in the same holding pattern we were in last week," Monterey County Counsel Charles McKee said Tuesday.

The Justice Department decision on Tuesday approves a request submitted Aug. 4 by California's elections chief to set the statewide recall vote for Oct. 7. The state had to make the request because of the special status of Monterey and three other counties. Any changes to elections in the counties require federal approval to avoid addition of any barriers to minority voters.

"We have pre-cleared the setting of the date for the gubernatorial recall election," said Jorge Martinez, a Justice Department spokesman based in Washington, D.C.

However, the Justice Department has yet to weigh in on two other issues that could affect the recall date. U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel threatened to delay the Oct. 7 election after hearing the two voting rights lawsuits last Friday, one of which has several Monterey County activists as plaintiffs.

Until the case is resolved, Fogel ordered Monterey County to cease certain election preparations, including the mailing of hundreds of absentee ballots to overseas voters. The next hearing is scheduled for Aug. 29.

The lawsuits contend that Monterey County's decision to consolidate its precincts and to hire fewer Spanish-speaking poll workers could disenfranchise minority voters and therefore requires pre-clearance from the Justice Department.

"That matter is still under review," Martinez said. "We have to look at what the proposed plan is and whether the proposed changes will deny or abridge the right to vote based on race, color or membership in a language minority group."

The lawsuits also target Proposition 54, a statewide initiative that would bar California from collecting most racial data. The initiative, essentially aimed at eliminating affirmative action, originally was scheduled for a vote next March, but was moved up when the recall qualified and created an earlier statewide election. Opponents say the shortened campaign timeline could affect voter turnout.

The Justice Department is also still reviewing the inclusion of Proposition 54 on the October recall ballot, Martinez said.

"We need more information and clarification from the state," he said.

The California Secretary of State's Office is working with the Justice Department to obtain pre-clearance on the inclusion of Proposition 54, said Hallye Jordan, spokeswoman for the state Attorney General.

Representatives of the groups that filed the lawsuits said Tuesday they were still hoping to get Proposition 54 pushed back.

"We're glad that the Justice Department would still consider not pre-clearing it in order to give voters more time to digest this very confusing initiative," said J.C. Flores, spokeswoman for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in Los Angeles.

MALDEF filed one of the lawsuits along with local activists William Melendez, Aurelio Salazar and Juan Martinez. The other lawsuit was filed by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights.

Diane Schachterle, coordinator for Proposition 54, said lawyers affiliated with the measure were monitoring the situation. She said she did not understand how Proposition 54 could be singled out without the entire recall ballot being put into question.

"If it's unfair for the community to vote on one issue, doesn't it follow that it would be unfair for them to vote on the entire election?" she asked.

Phil Paule, director of Rescue California, one of the groups leading the recall effort, said Tuesday he was confident the election would take place on Oct. 7 as scheduled.

"We feel that we will prevail in all the pending legislation still out there," he said. "I feel that the elections officials in Monterey County have the capability of conducting an election that will allow every voter to vote."

Dan Laidman can be reached at 646-4346.


FYI What happened? Federal officials said California can hold its recall election Oct. 7. Will the election happen then? Probably. What could change? Two federal voting rights lawsuits, one rooted in Monterey County, still could change the ballot or delay the election.



Election Law     Rick Hasen's web log (blog)
 
Monday, August 18, 2003
 
The other federal lawsuit While we are waiting to see what happens with the ACLU case here in Los Angeles (I'll be teaching, and unfortunately unable to attend the hearing), don't forget about the other TRO issued by Judge Fogel, which apparently will enjoin sending any absentee or overseas ballots in Monterey until the Department of Justice in Washington DC grants preclearance. A reporter told me that a Justice Department person told him it could be at least a couple of weeks before that happens. If that is true, it is hard to see the election coming off on October 7.


posted by Rick 1:03 PM
Another viewpoint from another legalese-blogger:

Thursday, August 21, 2003

"Judge rebuffs ACLU bid to push vote to March; Ruling turns away concerns over punch-card ballots": Bob Egelko has this report in today's issue of The San Francisco Chronicle.

In response to my post yesterday about how the
Ninth Circuit's ruling on appeal could very well depend on which three judges are assigned to hear and decide the case, a recent former law clerk to a Ninth Circuit judge today emailed to observe:

Because it's a preliminary injunction appeal, it will in all likelihood be heard by a motions and screening panel. This month's panel consists of Chief Judge Schroeder and Judges Hawkins and Tashima. They can, of course, kick it to the next available merits panel, but by then it might be too late.
Of course, if the appeal is not taken until next month, presumably the composition of the motions and screening panel will change. The current panel is neither the most liberal nor the most conservative panel that could have been drawn from the judges serving on that court, although I think that most would rank the panel left of center. Circuit Judge Michael Daly Hawkins participated in my Web log's "20 questions for the appellate judge" feature in June 2003, and you can access his interview at this link.
 

131 posted on 08/26/2003 6:02:42 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: All; ladyinred; Ragtime Cowgirl; onyx; Joy Angela; conservogirl
...I am wondering what this CLINTON-REINHARDT JUDGE is up to in a San Jose Court today...

...aren't ya'll..?
132 posted on 08/29/2003 10:19:41 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: All; BKO; Ragtime Cowgirl; ladyinred; RonDog; Republic; onyx; Concentrate; Joy Angela; ...
NEVER FORGET



...Judge FOGEL's 3-Judge Panel has just heard the Justice Dept's Pre-Clearances for the October 7th Recall GRAY DAVIS Election and instead of ruling right away today and getting our Military Absentee Ballots out to our Protectors overseas...

...the Panel has postponed its ruling for another week, its 3rd, to next Friday, Sept 5th.

...And now CLINTON Friend and Friend of Judge FOGEL's, Judge STEPHAN REINHARDT, will have his own shot at our Recall Election on the 2nd Anniversary of the Attacks of September 11, 2001 at his 9th Circuit 3-Judge Panel Hearing in Pasadena. Last Big Decision of this Panel = No UNDER GOD Pledge of Allegiance in our schools.

...Military Votes denied once again, thanks to Friend Judges of the CLINTONS in California.




'Appeals Panel Sets Sept. 11 to Consider Bid to Delay Recall Vote'

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-me-legal29aug29,1,6334271.story?/coll=la-news-a_section


NEVER FORGET
133 posted on 08/29/2003 6:57:10 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
BTTT
134 posted on 08/29/2003 7:10:29 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Do you remember the memo the ACLU sent out just after 9-11 telling their members to take advantage of the chaos to push unpopular causes (my words, their sentiment)?

By coincidence, a rotten Florida Judge chose Sept. 11 to set a date on the removal of a feeding tube from a disabled woman, who's husband prevented therapy, visits from her family and priest, even flowers, and who made a bundle on his 'disabled' wife through medical malpractice suits, yet lives with another woman, and refuses to give up guardianship to Terri's mother who wants very badly to care for her daughter.

On Sept. 11 the Judge will pick a date to begin slowly starving a woman to death - who's only crime is to be unable to speak on her own behalf.

A condemned killer can get a last minute stay of execution from the Governor. An innocent disabled woman will be starved to death and no existing law can save her.

Sept. 11, day of mourning, day of remembrance, used by the left to push unjust, un-American, dishonorable causes.

I say we take a closer look at what the left is planning to get away with in courtrooms across America as America mourns it's lost on Sept. 11.

135 posted on 08/29/2003 7:33:14 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("They are taking the fight to the enemy every day and we're winning."-Sgt. Maj. M. Fuss 4th ID 8/22)
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To: All; Ann Archy; Carl/NewsMax; Diver Dave; miss print; kristinn; Angelwood; Mo1; Joy Angela; ...
...KTLA-TV Channel 5 in Los Angeles is reporting this morning that this San Jose 3 Judge Panel could very well delay this Recall Election to next year.

...CLINTON Friend Judge REINHARDT's Friend ..Judge FOGEL.. begins today's Recall Hearing at 8:30 AM in San Jose, California.

...The Democrats' ACORN Organization staged a TV Media Anti-Recall Demonstration yesterday at the Norwalk, Callifornia Registrar's Office, bringing TV attention to this Monority Voting Recall Issue just in time for today's Court Hearing in San Jose to digest.

...Next comes Friend of CLINTON Judge REINHARDT's own 3 Judge Panel in Pasadena's Recall Hearing on Sept. 11th. This same Trio last gave us the "No UNDER GOD Pledge of Allegiance' in our Schools Ruling.

...This is an ACLU Anti-Recall, Hearing being brought by ALCLU Head and Friend of CLITNON ...Mrs. REINHARDT.

...The CLNTONS, it seems are at it again against you and I, just to keep California safe for Presidential Candidate HILLARY in 2004..?


.."IS it SAFE" = President HILLARY..

http://www.WashingtonDispatch.com/wdforum/DCForumID1/186.html
136 posted on 09/05/2003 7:29:56 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: All; Joy Angela; miss print; kristinn; Angelwood; Mo1; Ragtime Cowgirl; Republic; Concentrate; ...
NEVER FORGET

...Judge FOGEL's 3 Judge Panel just ruled against postponing our Recall Election back to March 2004. Thank you all.

...Next on Sept. 11th comes longtime HILLARY & BILL CLINTON Friend 9th Circuit Judge STEPHEN REINHARDT's Recall Ruling on the "Chads" ACLU Suit brought by his...

...own Head of ACLU ..W-I-F-E..!!!

...T'is so Far OUT..???

NEVER FORGET
137 posted on 09/05/2003 5:26:26 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I hope the new surge of voters doesn't affect the Oct 7 recall election!

But, we can be certain that the number of Absentee Ballots in the 2004 presidential race will INCREASE.

Also added to the absentee ballot numbers will be ballots sent to fake identities and to people who really live out-of-state or even worse, out of the country!

(oh yeah, that accounts for the illegal vote already...)

This is a BIG Mess.

And here we sit, in the middle of it all.

138 posted on 09/05/2003 8:53:12 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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