This is not your father's (Episcopal) Church anymore (Cal Thomas weighs in on "gay" bishop)

Modesto Bee ^ | Aug 6 03 | Cal Thomas

[razorbak]

"I’m too devastated to comment. I’ve been an Episcopalian all my life and I simply don’t know what to do. There is a website called The American Anglican Council which has my interests in mind. The trouble is we don’t want to leave the church."

You aren't leaving the church, the church is leaving you. Those who stand for biblical truth, when others are abandoning it are not causing schism -- the apostates are.

Rom.16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.
18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

[N. Theknow]

On Sunday mornings from the second week in September to the first week in June, I assist and sometimes deliver the homily at a special service in our Episcopal church. The service is for boys from 5th through 9th grades who are boarding school students at a school across the street from the church that was founded by a former Rector of our church in the 1920's.

The special service was instituted when my Sunday School class, which met during the regular church service, grew from 25 the first year to 83 the fifth year. This is now the 6th year of the special service and attendance is usually over 125.

I now find myself in a predicament as to what to say to these boys. They can be punished or kicked out of school for breaking any of God's laws, no matter how regretful they are after the fact. But now a practicing, non-repentant homosexual is elevated to Episcopal Bishop by an unapologetic Convention of Bishops of the Church that encourages them to submit to God and not man.

[hellinahandcart]

Rats. Just got two whiney comments from the late-lamented troll, and I can't answer them.

[apackof2]

bump

[Marysecretary]

I don't think it is on the way out. I think people are beginning to wake up!

[Marysecretary]

People do deserve to be loved and cared for, homosexual or not. I don't have a problem with that.I have a problem with the church ordaining gay bishops when the Bible tells you that God sees it as an abomination.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Thank you scripter, God Bless you.

[Clint N. Suhks]

You aren't leaving the church the church is leaving you.

Not if I can help it, schism with an equitable settlement on the distribution of properties seems only fair to me.

[jnarcus]

And the last I checked Baptists were considered bothe protestant and Christian...but then again the world is changing so fast maybe I am wrong

[lentulusgracchus]

........we no longer can be part of a religion that won’t abide by God’s word. Schism is the only solution at this point.

No, that's wrong. You haven't done anything wrong -- they have. Why do you doubt your good title of ownership in the church? Why are you prepared to leave it to them who have schemed to possess it, and your good name, to mask the stench of their perversion?

Time to fix bayonets, friend. Time to turf them lovingly out of your church, and send them wandering where they will. No prisoners, friend. This is your church we're talking about -- the well of your spiritual refreshment, and the place where you housel your conversations with the God Who made you. They haven't the right, under any pretense or claim, to take it away from you.

Fix...........bayonets!

[lentulusgracchus]

[dyed] All the funnier because Paul was gay.

[AAM] No, the liberal theologians and the likes of Bishop Vicki just wish that he was . . . makes their behavior so much more justifiable in their own eyes.

Considering for a moment, just for the sake of debate, that Paul of Tarsus was gay himself.......the operative question becomes, then, did he live and die "in the life" -- or did he repudiate it, and conduct a powerful ministry that rebuked indiscriminate sexuality?

[lentulusgracchus]

.....schism with an equitable settlement on the distribution of properties seems only fair to me.

Yes. All for you who kept the faith and, for their falsity, none for them who didn't, or who did worse yet.

Try that.

[AnAmericanMother]

Yeah, me too. I was kinda disappointed, because when I last checked, he was losin'.

I was feeling the need to BLAST somebody (always politely of course. We Episcopalians always act in good taste . . . in trivial matters . . . )

Bah humbug!

[AnAmericanMother]

Quite true. To act nobly and in accordance with God's will, when tempted grievously in the opposite direction, is the mark of a saint.

And you know the scoffers and pagans of the day would have had a field day if Paul had stumbled -- just as they do with Christians today. Puts those who believe in nothing and have no morals at a distinct advantage, ne c'est pas?