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Supreme Court - APGinsburg: Int'l Law Shaped Court Rulings
Associated Press ^ | August 2, 2003 | By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/06/2003 2:16:09 AM PDT by bart99

 Supreme Court - APGinsburg: Int'l Law Shaped Court Rulings Sat Aug 2, 9:48 PM ET

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court is looking beyond America's borders for guidance in handling cases on issues like the death penalty and gay rights, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites) said Saturday.

The justices referred to the findings of foreign courts this summer in their own ruling that states may not punish gay couples for having sex.

And in 2002, the court said that executing mentally retarded people is unconstitutionally cruel. That ruling noted that the practice was opposed internationally.

"Our island or lone ranger mentality is beginning to change," Ginsburg said during a speech to the American Constitution Society, a liberal lawyers group holding its first convention.

Justices "are becoming more open to comparative and international law perspectives," said Ginsburg, who has supported a more global view of judicial decision making.

Ginsburg cited an international treaty in her vote in June to uphold the use of race in college admissions.

The shift has angered some conservatives. Justice Antonin Scalia (news - web sites), in the gay sex case, wrote with two colleagues that the court should not "impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans."

David Rivkin Jr., a conservative Washington attorney, said foreign trends can be helpful to legislators in setting policy, but not to judges in interpreting the U.S. Constitution.

Last month, Ginsburg and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) and Stephen Breyer (news - web sites) discussed the death penalty and terrorism with French President Jacques Chirac during a European tour. France outlawed the death penalty in 1981. Ginsburg was one of five justices who attended a conference on the European constitution.

Ginsburg said Saturday that the Internet is making decisions of courts in other countries more readily available in America, and they should not be ignored.

"While you are the American Constitution Society, your perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world," she told the group of judges, lawyers and students. "We are the losers if we do not both share our experiences with and learn from others."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ginsburgspeech; globalism; ruthbaderginsburg; scotus
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Maybe this isn't 'breaking' (if not please move to the appropriate category, but it broke on a Drudge link to Yahoo this morning. Did I miss this? Was this posted a few days ago?

I cannot believe the SCOTUS is applying treaties with other countries - not just the US Constituation - and that their "perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world"!

I wonder if she and Sandra took into account the laws in third world countries, Africa, Russia, China, etc in formulating their latest opinions - or just have "learned from others"of thier choosing.

1 posted on 08/06/2003 2:16:09 AM PDT by bart99
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To: bart99
Hey Ruth baby, this ain't international, this is America. You elitist one world bitch.
2 posted on 08/06/2003 2:17:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: bart99
This is horrifying.
Can the demise of our free republic be afar off?
May God have mercy on our nation!
3 posted on 08/06/2003 2:18:24 AM PDT by ppaul
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Only my second "post" here........ but this really stunned me! Am I the only one?
4 posted on 08/06/2003 2:18:32 AM PDT by bart99
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To: bart99
Stunned? This is deplorable. Globlization from within our own highest court. Please let these black robed zealots retire.
5 posted on 08/06/2003 2:21:52 AM PDT by raisincane
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To: bart99
Youths oppress my people,
women rule over them.
O my people, your guides lead you astray;
they turn you from the path.

Isaiah 3:12


6 posted on 08/06/2003 2:22:52 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
This post also talks about this happening:
Push for Recent Diversity Laws Coming from.....International Courts!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957192/posts
7 posted on 08/06/2003 2:24:53 AM PDT by bets
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8 posted on 08/06/2003 2:25:10 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: raisincane
I guess this supports the articles lately about the Dems bypassing our legilature to get "laws" passed. *sigh* Wonder if the SCOTUS can dictate to the legilature what laws are "appropriate" for our country, given the 'world's perspective'. Geez...... I'm upset.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 2:26:15 AM PDT by bart99
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To: bart99
Well, combine Ginsberg's statement with the one here;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958852/posts

"U.S. District Judge Louis Oberdorfer drove the point home. None of it matters unless people take action, he told them. "If you do it right, you people here will become law clerks and the law clerks will become judges and the assistant secretaries and you'll run the world.""

These leftist judges really think it is their right to rule us.
10 posted on 08/06/2003 2:28:20 AM PDT by swilhelm73
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Why do Liberal Lawyers need another group? Isn't the ACLU enough for them? Or are these LibLawyers more lib & whacked than the commies of the ACLU?


11 posted on 08/06/2003 2:29:25 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: bart99
Time to Impeach her.
12 posted on 08/06/2003 2:33:43 AM PDT by JoeA
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To: ppaul
The US is a member of:

International Criminal Court
International Commission of Jurists
International Chamber of Commerce which has an International Court of Arbitration
International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (initiatives can be LAWS)- heard of Agenda21?
International World Customs (w/their own tribunal)
International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea

The US is a member of all of them and more. And we get many of our laws and programs from them.

13 posted on 08/06/2003 2:36:09 AM PDT by bets
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To: JoeA
Time to compile a list of "these type of statements" from that session and send them to every republican House and Senate member............ and have them stop all the Dems' filibustering over Bush's nominees!!

International Treaties and world perspective define our constitution??? Give me a break!!
14 posted on 08/06/2003 2:38:42 AM PDT by bart99
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To: bets
Correction - we are not members of the International Criminal Court as yet. I meant to say - the Internatioal Court of Justice.
15 posted on 08/06/2003 2:39:05 AM PDT by bets
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To: bets
Just curious...... but is every member of the UN a member of all those "International" organizations??

If so, I imagine the USA would lose any case in question brought before one of those oranizations..
16 posted on 08/06/2003 2:43:26 AM PDT by bart99
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To: bart99
Bump!
17 posted on 08/06/2003 2:54:39 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: bart99
Not always, the countries do vary depending on the organization. But some REQUIRE that UN members participate - for instance, the Law of the Sea applies to all UN members.

And one funny thing - the U.S. was the country behind enforcing a new global law that requires all seafarer workers to carry a biometric identity card - holds their digital picture and fingerprint.

But you make a good point. If only 2 out of the 60 commissioners of the Int'l Commission of Jurists are from the U.S., then where are the other 58 from? Here's the composition of the ICJ:

The International Court of Justice

President
Shi Jiuyong (China)

Vice-President
Raymond Ranjeva (Madagascar)

Judges

Gilbert Guillaume (France)

Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone)

Vladlen S. Vereshchetin (Russian Federation)

Rosalyn Higgins (United Kingdom)

Gonzalo Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela)

Pieter H. Kooijmans (Netherlands)

Francisco Rezek (Brazil)

Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh (Jordan)

Thomas Buergenthal (United States of America)

Nabil Elaraby (Egypt)

Hisashi Owada (Japan)

Bruno Simma (Germany)

Peter Tomka (Slovakia)

Registrar

Mr. Philippe Couvreur (Belgium)

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For crying out loud, the President is from China! A jury of your peers?!!!?

18 posted on 08/06/2003 2:55:24 AM PDT by bets
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To: bets
Thanks. Interessting to see Venezula on that list of Jurists, considering what's going on there. Also Interesting to see Egypt and Jordan but not Saudi Arabia. Guess those death penalty and amputation laws they have don't go over to well in the international community
19 posted on 08/06/2003 3:07:16 AM PDT by bart99
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To: swilhelm73
Why, oh why, did the Republicans give a pass to "MIss International" and not fight to keep her 100 percent leftist views off the court?
20 posted on 08/06/2003 3:09:48 AM PDT by laconic
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