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To: Southack; MissAmericanPie
To: MissAmericanPie

"Both parties support dissolving our sovereign borders."

Nonsense. You're just looking for ways to take swipes at Republicans.

Please explain the motivation behind ten, twenty, thirty year Republican Conservatives "looking for ways to take swipes at Republicans".  You are talking about people who have never voted for anyone but a Republican in their lives here.  Do you think they do this lightly?  Do you think that all of a sudden they've turned into raging Democrats?  Have any of them expressed support for even one Democrat principle? Where do you get this nonsense?

If Republicans actually wanted to dissolve our soveriegn borders, they wouldn't have killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court

For the record, our government didn't express any objection to the ICC until a couple of weeks before it was certain to be ratified.  In this manner it could claim objection, although avoid doing anything whatsoever to make sure it wasn't ratified.  This is hardly something a conservative would brag about.

or killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty,

Tenets of the global warming treaty are being implemented as fast as they can across this nation, at the state level.  Another clear victory for conservatives, right?

or killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM treaty.  QED.

Okay, I'll grant you that.  I supported this and it came to pass.  Of course at the same time we supported a foreign trade policy that saw our largetst global nemisis given the cash to modernize every sector of it's military and help subert other nations across the face of planet earth.

153 posted on 08/03/2003 12:18 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

161 posted on 08/03/2003 12:44:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
"For the record, our government didn't express any objection to the ICC until a couple of weeks before it was certain to be ratified. In this manner it could claim objection, although avoid doing anything whatsoever to make sure it wasn't ratified. This is hardly something a conservative would brag about."

Rubbish.

Bush not only unsigned the International Criminal Court treaty (signed by Clinton), but he went on the offensive and compelled more than 20 ICC-signee nations to give full ICC prosecutional immunity to U.S. citizens who might be or pass through those soeverign territories.

There is a list around here of some 34 nations who have had their U.S. military funding cut off due to their failure to either give the U.S. ICC immunity or to reject the ICC altogether, all thanks to GWB going on the offensive against a hostile press/media/Democratic Party cartel that actively supports such international leftist pablum.

162 posted on 08/03/2003 12:50:01 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Tenets of the global warming treaty are being implemented as fast as they can across this nation, at the state level. Another clear victory for conservatives, right?"

GWB can't be everywhere. If you've lost your state's own internal battle against Leftists, I say look first at yourself and your lack of local participation.

Bush is doing his part at the national level. That you feel compelled to blame him for your own local failures just goes to show that you recognize that you need his leadership at your state level almost as much as we all need it at the national level.

163 posted on 08/03/2003 12:52:10 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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