Fears Grow Over Academic Efforts to Normalize Pedophilia

CNSNews.com ^ | 7/10/03 | Steve Brown

[George W. Bush]

Servetus was killed by Geneva's civil authority. Calvin was called as a witness, given that Servetus' heresies were well-known to him. Servetus was already condemned by all the other religious factions in Europe and he was already under death sentence from Rome. There is little doubt someone would have murdered him if the Geneva authorities hadn't done it first.

Most of your other accounts of Protestant killings care tracable to the Church of England. Given that they were a mirror image of Rome in their methods, one can hardly describe them as Protestant. They were little more than another variety of papist who wanted to keep clerical incomes in their own country and control their own infallible pronouncements with the weight of law and the power of the state to back them.

[Polycarp]

Servetus was killed by Geneva's civil authority.

And the Spanish Inquisition was the work of the civil authorities. But by your hypocritical double standards, the guilt of the Inquisition lies solely at the feet of Rome while the guilt of the death of Servetus lies solely at the feet of the civil authority.

Give us a break.

[B-Chan]

The number of witches burned or killed by anyone in Europe is dwarfed by the number killed by Rome.

Simple fact.

Big hat, no cattle. Care to post some actual data to back up that claim of "simple fact"? Or am I supposed to simply take your word for it?

[r9etb]

Next goal - that much maligned practice known as bestiality!

Like incest between father and daughter, bestiality is probably still beyond the pale for now.

The issue at the moment is the age of consent for boys in homosexual relationships.

After that, the long-term battle will focus on lowering the age of consent for girls.

And during this whole time, I think we'll start seeing a push to make legal various definitions of multi-partner "marriage".

[George W. Bush]

The Spanish inquisitors were Roman clergy. Their offices were authorized with papal approval. Trying to pretend that the entire matter was one of the civil authority is ridiculous. Rome was responsible. Without inquisitors and Roman sanction, there could be no Inquisition.

[jla]

fyi

[Polycarp]

Same goes for Calvin and his victims. But you seem to have a blind spot there.

[George W. Bush]

Calvin did not have a job with the civil service other than that of an expositor of scripture. The history of Geneva is well-known in this regard.

Any comparison between Calvin and Torquemada's butchers is ludicrous.

[Polycarp]

Any comparison between Calvin and Torquemada's butchers is ludicrous.

Wrong again.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT Chapter 3: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

The Spanish Inquisition established in 1480 by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella and that was led from 1483 to 1498 by the Dominican monk de Torquemada may have burned to death as many as 10,220 heretics in total; ...a more realistic figure is that of the General Secretary of the Inquisition, who estimated that from 1480 to 1488, 8,800 people were killed by fire, and from 1480 to 1808 the victims may have totaled 31,912.99

The Catholic Church's attempt to so purge heretics had its counterpart in the Reformation Protestant's campaign against witches. Witches were believed to have sold their soul to the Devil for magical powers. While the Salem witch trials of Massachusetts in 1692 give the impression that early Americans were particularly prone to this superstition, it was really in Europe, particularly in Germany and France, that the torture and killing of alleged witches was most prevalent. Under Calvin's government of Geneva in 1545, for example, thirty-four women were recorded burned or quartered for witchcraft. In the late years of the 16th Century, witch hunts reached their peak. In some German cities historians estimate that as many as 900 "witches" in a year were killed, often after agonizing torture to force out confessions; in some villages hardly a women was left alive. In total, throughout Christendom more than 30,000 "witches" may have killed;102 Taking into account the routine nature of these killings, the final figure may be around 100,000;103 it might even reach 500,000.104

Notice that "witch burning" was primarily a protestant sport, and that the protestants far outpaced the Inquisition in this regard.

In other words, ALL the churches must accept blame, not just Rome, and the protestants who insist on throwing stones must wake up and admit they too live in huge glass houses.

[Polycarp]

The Spanish Inquisition established in 1480 by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella and that was led from 1483 to 1498 by the Dominican monk de Torquemada may have burned to death as many as 10,220 heretics in total; 125,000 possibly died from torture and privation in prison.97

The Catholic Church's attempt to so purge heretics had its counterpart in the Reformation Protestant's campaign against witches. Under Calvin's government of Geneva in 1545, for example, thirty-four women were recorded burned or quartered for witchcraft. ...Taking into account the routine nature of these killings, the final figure may be around 100,000;103 it might even reach 500,000.104

Its always enlightening to see an apples to apples comparison, in this case Torquemada's 10,000 burned and 125,000 possibly died from torture and privation compared to Calvin's/protestantism's 100,000 to 500,000 burned at the stake.

You can stop whining now that we have the facts. Unless you want to continue to appear "ludicrous."

[George W. Bush]

Under Calvin's government of Geneva in 1545,...

Calvin did not have a government in Geneva. A civil authority ruled Geneva. Calvin never held office other than as an expositor of scripture.

I suppose Rome can always hire people to write such things but it hardly constitutes a convincing proof.

[btcusn]

I could care less what some pervert does to his/her dog or other pet. Unless they would like to have a few .45 caliber holes where God never installed, they better stay the hell away from my kids!!
Jack

[Polycarp]

I suppose Rome can always hire people to write such things but it hardly constitutes a convincing proof.

The author is a non-Catholic, secular researcher at the University of Hawaii, and well respected expert on historical democide. He has no sympathies for Roman Catholicism whatsoever, as his books plainly show.

Try again.

[Polycarp]

Calvin did not have a government in Geneva. A civil authority ruled Geneva. Calvin never held office

Uh, yeah, sure. Nice spin. Sounds good in theory, but in practice Calvin ruled with an iron fist, regardless of his official status or lack thereof.

Its amazing how you folks always tell us we Catholics deny the dirty little facts of our history, when in fact we know them quite well and make no excuses for them.

But when a Catholic points out the dirty little facts of protestant history, you folks are actually truly guilty of that which you falsely accuse us. Amazing.

[Polycarp]

The number of witches burned or killed by anyone in Europe is dwarfed by the number killed by Rome.

Simple fact.

Uh, see the real, hard facts in my post 50. Thanks.