Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[CobaltBlue]

>>An even better question is "what does evolution have to do with religion"? <<

Oopsie, probably should have clarified that by "religion" I mean "organized religion", not God.

Some do seem to get the two confused. ;^)

Anyway, in most Christian denominations/sects/cults/"flavors" the priests/ministers/pastors don't feel like it's their business to comment on evolution or any other science.

[Right Wing Professor]

Here are some Islamic anti-evo web pages. The Islamoloony who wrote the last of the four is evidently their Duane Gish.

http://www.islam-australia.com.au/harunyahya/tellmeaboutthecreation01.html

http://www.islam-australia.com.au/harunyahya/about_hy.html

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/waraqa/islam.html

http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2002/08/article03.shtml

[ALS]

[f.Christian]

The Secular state was created by the Christian Refomation and it was destroyed the evo taliban science NAZIS !

[exmarine]

There are vast numbers of students enrolled in multiculture and diversity class and very few in science class at the U, so evidently the spoon is not being applied forcefully enough.

The ones who are enrolled in science are force fed darwinism, and darwinists have done their best to keep creationism out of the classroom using the courts! The courts say creationism can't be taught in public schools! But atheistic naturalism can and by the power of govt, it will be! What country do you live in?

[f.Christian]

Beware sasquatch science will git you !

[longshadow]

"initializing Troll-guard™ software" placemarker

[CobaltBlue]

Can you imagine what would happen if they decided to form an alliance against reason, freedom, imagination, and the other achievements of modernity and enlightenment? Oh, dear, I think I am getting a headache.

In one sense, they are natural allies, but I think the gigantic rift between Jew and Arab in Israel will prevent it. One hopes.

On the other hand, their predecessors used to hate Jews, so who knows what the future may hold?

[Stultis]

Bottom line: A person's view of science, as everything else in life, is governed by that person's presuppositions. Everyone begins with a priori presuppositions and then filters data thru the lens of those presuppositions. There is no such thing as an objective observer, and that is precisely why logical positivism died the death it deserved.

Logical positivism died because its program failed. The overall goal was to demonstrate that true scientific/empirical claims could be positively validated, i.e. identified as true by some finite process. (Note, btw, what a large number of creationists here implicitly invoke your dead philosophy with demands that evolution be "proved," i.e. positively validated, rather than "tested".) There were a number of programs subsidiary to LP's overall goal. The big project failed because the subsidiary ones failed, e.g. demonstrating the completeness of mathematics, forging a one-to-one correspondence between language and real objects, and so on.

I don't see how any of this required objective observers. One can be a subjective observer and yet still find and write down a perfectly valid geometric proof. Logical positivists believed that there were something like geometric proofs for any true empirical claim. This turned out to be a false belief, and it is false even if there is such a thing as a perfectly objective observer.

[f.Christian]

God and Truth are trolls to the evo giants ... like their evo beanstalk - weed --- charts - clubhouse // zoo - parade !

[f.Christian]

Evos don't understand science - HISTORY - reality at all !

You are the jihad -- whacko science bigots !

The Secular state was created by the Christian Refomation and it was destroyed by the evo taliban science NAZIS !

[f.Christian]

Evolution is mental - will disarmament ... stepford science --- sirens !

[RightWhale]

The ones who are enrolled in science are force fed darwinism

No, that's not happening. The students demand darwinism as you call it, and reject creationism. The students are insisting of having tools that work, that are functional.

[Lurking Libertarian]

God-did-it-through-His-natural-laws placemarker.

[Aric2000]

Their souls Rightwhale, it their souls.

It's for their souls, they don't need functional, they need to worry about their souls.

That is why creationism should be taught in science class, "it's for the souls".

/flaming fundie mode off

[f.Christian]

What do you think our souls are ... tailbones ?

[f.Christian]

We asked to brainwashed (( conservatism )) --- indoctrinated (( liberalism )) so we can be a bunch of evo prosyletites ...

sure --- fer the childrun !

[exmarine]

No, that's not happening. The students demand darwinism as you call it, and reject creationism. The students are insisting of having tools that work, that are functional.

Baloney. The court cases speak for themselves. Need examples of court cases? There are many communities that WANT TO TEACH Creationism but the courts and the govt. schools say no to the will of the people. The parents want creationism - in fact, most americans believe in creationism. Who knows best for the 9 year old kid - the govt or the parent? huh? The truth is the truth. Stop making excuses and obfuscating the truth. A 5th grader doesn't know enough to demand anything, and his parents decide what he will learn, not some darwinist elitist bigot in his ivory tower. This isn't China. You cannot win this argument so you should stop now.

[f.Christian]

God-did-it-through-His-natural-laws placemarker.

Man's evo ideas are unnatural ... why try to blame that freak of nature on God ?

Evos obscure the simplicity of it all into botulism of science - life !

[VadeRetro]

The Islamoloony who wrote the last of the four is evidently their Duane Gish.

I've seen the claim that "Harun Yahya" is the pseudonym of a group of writers.