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Constitution Party Wants Supreme Court Justices Impeached
CNSNews.com ^ | 07/04/03 | Jeff Johnson.

Posted on 07/05/2003 8:52:56 PM PDT by furnitureman

Constitution Party Wants Supreme Court Justices Impeached The nation's self-proclaimed third largest political party Thursday called for the impeachment of the six Supreme Court justices who voted to overturn a Texas law banning homosexual sodomy. One legal expert responded that the prospect of impeaching justices for political decisions was settled nearly 200 years ago.

James Clymer, chairman of the Constitution Party National Committee, called the court's decision "an affront to the very foundation" of the U.S. Constitution.

"It also shows blatant disregard for the people of various states and the laws their representatives have lawfully enacted," Clymer continued.

"Those members of the court who have so brazenly exercised illicit judicial authority should have to face the consequences of their actions which are violations of the Constitution, something they took an oath to uphold," he said.

Justices Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor, Stephen Breyer, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens voted to strike down the Texas law and, Clymer said, should be removed from the court as a result.

The Constitution Party, which claims it is America's third largest political party in terms of actual voter registration, embraces the view that the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights mean precisely what they say and that only their application, not meaning, should be subject to interpretation by the courts.

The group believes the decision is an unconstitutional encroachment upon powers reserved to the states under the Tenth Amendment, which states that "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution...are reserved to the States..."

"In other words," Clymer explained, "if a state is exercising a power reserved to it - like defining, establishing and applying its own laws pertaining to criminal justice - then the federal courts are supposed to maintain a hands-off attitude and uphold the state's right to do so."

He points to Article III Section 1 of the Constitution, which established the "supreme Court," as giving the grounds for impeachment.

"Contrary to popular belief, the justices of the Supreme Court do not have life tenure," Clymer argued. "Instead, the Constitution states that they are to serve 'during good behavior,' and this ruling is a prime example of what truly bad judicial behavior is."

He believes the intent of the "good behavior" clause was to ensure that judges would "maintain fidelity to the Constitution, the law and the highest of ethical standards during the conduct of their work.

"Their failure to do so is supposed to disqualify them from continued service on the bench, and Congress has the duty to see that this requirement is enforced, if those principles are seriously violated, through the mechanism of impeachment," Clymer concluded.

While Clymer's contentions may hold up in theory, Beau Baez, a professor of law with Concord School of Law in Los Angeles, told CNSNews.com that there is "practically zero chance" of a politically motivated impeachment succeeding.

"Thomas Jefferson tried it back in 1805 with another associate justice at the time - his name was Samuel Chase - primarily over a political squabble," Baez noted.

President George Washington appointed Chase, who was from Maryland, in 1796. At Jefferson's urging, the U.S. House of Representatives impeached Chase, but the Senate refused to convict him.

"Ever since," Baez explained, "impeaching justices for unpopular opinions has pretty much been dead."

For a Supreme Court justice to actually face removal by the Senate, Baez added, would take much more than even a universally unpopular decision.

"It would probably take being convicted of a criminal act - like murder, fraud, theft - and then the justice refusing to resign," he said. "But I think if it's [an action] within their 'jurisdiction,' writing a legal opinion, expounding on the Constitution, it really becomes a political question."

At that point, Baez said, the political party in power would have to decide whether or not it wanted to risk retaliation from the current minority party in the future.

"One party may be in power today and may be able to boot a justice from the other party," he said. "But then, of course, four years or eight years later, it may be reversed.

"It's a dangerous game," Baez concluded, "because what goes around comes around."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitutionlist; constitutionparty; impeachscotus; sasu; scotus; scotuslist
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To: furnitureman
So James Clymer has now decided that the Constitution Party is the official third party (even though its vote count puts it way way behind the Reform Party and Libertarian Party), and has decided to call himself "a legal expert". He is, in fact, a very ordinary lawyer in Lancaster, Penn., who has been rejected repeatedly by the voters, especially those who knew who he was.

As for impeaching the Justices because of their decision in a hotly debated case (where there were real legal experts lined up on both sides), this a definite departure from the American pattern of an independent judiciary.

Clymer still has a lot to learn about the American Constitution.

41 posted on 07/06/2003 6:27:42 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: furnitureman
I agree with the Constitution party on this.
42 posted on 07/06/2003 7:06:19 AM PDT by Captain Shady (I could be wrong ,but I don't think so. Its a jungle out there.)
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To: El Gato
the same place people get the idea that all human rights must be listed in the Constitution.
43 posted on 07/06/2003 10:28:23 AM PDT by breakem
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To: El Gato
It's also pretty silly that you think the government in eaxh state has to power to restrict these personal freedoms. It was not silly however to say that historically there have been many laws which took away human rights or liberty. Silly that some people just don't believe that should continue. Damn silly!
44 posted on 07/06/2003 10:30:18 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem

Perzactly. We have the right to expect that all members of our society adhere to the kindness of religious morality, and we have the right to decide what kind of a society we are to live in, and our children and grandchildren have a right to their own innocence.

45 posted on 07/06/2003 10:33:46 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: El Gato
Mind-numbed robotic slaves of the government. They have been raised to serve the master-the government.
46 posted on 07/06/2003 10:39:24 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: GatekeeperBookman
LOL! Thanks for the tour of ideologue dementia!
47 posted on 07/06/2003 10:46:45 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Orangedog
"Weap for the republic....it's not long for this world."

I agree... unfortunately, this is only the beginning. It is my opinion it will get worse.
48 posted on 07/06/2003 10:49:59 AM PDT by Duramaximus ( American Born, Gun_Toting , Aerospace Worker Living In A State That Worships Socialism)
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To: furnitureman
At that point, Baez said, the political party in power would have to decide whether or not it wanted to risk retaliation from the current minority party in the future.

"One party may be in power today and may be able to boot a justice from the other party," he said. "But then, of course, four years or eight years later, it may be reversed.

"It's a dangerous game," Baez concluded, "because what goes around comes around."

A good example of how the constitution is held hostage by the two party system!

49 posted on 07/06/2003 10:52:57 AM PDT by varon
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To: Cultural Jihad
El Gato asked, "Where do some people get the idea that every social problem must be solved, or can be solved, at the federal level and that everything is the buisiness of the federal courts?"


I answer-"Mind-numbed robotic slaves of the government. They have been raised to serve the master-the government."

You are amused & call me idiot. Hmmm. Your position seems clear & the limits of your abilities profound.
50 posted on 07/06/2003 11:03:17 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: GatekeeperBookman
So sorry. I retract my statement.
51 posted on 07/06/2003 11:04:43 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Well then, you are but a jester, an irritant who seeks to parry, confuse & frighten a weak minded person like me. You take advantage of my dementia. You are a rascal.
52 posted on 07/06/2003 11:10:18 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: GatekeeperBookman
bump
53 posted on 07/06/2003 12:44:03 PM PDT by furnitureman
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To: breakem
Join Farah's Supreme Court impeachment drive http://mail.worldnetdaily.com/cgi-bin/subunsub.pl?list=impeach
54 posted on 07/06/2003 12:48:52 PM PDT by furnitureman
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To: breakem
I suppose you think that Sodam and Gomorah were also not destroyed because of homosexuality. Right I suppose you think Christ was a homosexual. You, I fear, serve Satan. You certinally do not serve GOD.

God will not tallerate it for long. If it continues the US will not nast another 40 years. God will not allow it.
55 posted on 07/06/2003 2:10:23 PM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
I suppose you're right. Yaaaaawn!
56 posted on 07/06/2003 2:45:09 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Cultural Jihad
Well you made up some new rights there, tell us all about your right to make everyone in your image.
57 posted on 07/06/2003 2:45:58 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
Made up rights? Who says the rights enumerated in the BOR are the only ones? You?
58 posted on 07/06/2003 2:47:45 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Perzactly. We have the right to expect that all members of our society adhere to the kindness of religious morality, and we have the right to decide what kind of a society we are to live in, and our children and grandchildren have a right to their own innocence."

The fact that all rights are not listed in the constitution does not allow you to make them up. Where did you get the idea that anyone has to adhere to your idea of "the kindness of religious morality." The constitution specifically prohibits government from support yoiur religion. So tell me how your view of religious morality must be adhered to by others and why it does not interfere with their rights to force your view upon them.

I was here one night when another poster explained to you that rights are an individual concept and not collective. I guess you didn't get the gist.

When you say you have the right to decide what kind of society you live in, you are correct. You can move to a theocracy that imposes your beliefs upon others or you can live in the US where we are free from such impositions. And who is "we" anyway?

59 posted on 07/06/2003 2:52:46 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
No one is being forced to attend Church, or to worship God, or to cross themselves from left to right instead of from right to left, or to fast on Fridays, or to refrain from eating shellfish. These are simply the customs and usages of religion, not religious morality.
60 posted on 07/06/2003 2:57:32 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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