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In God we trust (Coulter:Conservatives by and large believe in God, Liberals believe they are Gods)
Worldnetdaily ^ | 7/4/03 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 07/04/2003 2:16:23 AM PDT by DPB101

Liberals despise hearing it! In fact they have worked hard to have the truth of it erased from public life. But it is true nonetheless.

After spending nearly a half hour of my radio show on the topic of Joseph McCarthy and the revolutionary claims set forth in her book, Ann Coulter bowled me over when I asked her the following question: "Ann, why do liberals hate conservatives in 2003 America?"

Her answer was a simple one, and then the clock ran out and she was gone. But that simple answer stirred the pot, and it echoed what this column had proclaimed merely weeks ago.

"Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.

The basic gist of the idea is easy enough to understand. But let me clean up the edges for those of you who will yell about speaking in generalities. For truth to ever be understood – generalities must be used. In the end, generalities must also be proven on some scale or a new generality will replace it.

My stunned silence at Ann's answer was reaffirmation of a conclusion I had come to a long time ago. By liberals, Ann and I are both referring to those who make up liberal ideology – the radical activists within the Democratic Party. They have been on the wrong side of history – at least American history – primarily because they have been on the wrong side of God. What Ann is just coming to realize as a constitutional attorney, I have been realizing as a theologian for some time – absolute truth is knowable, and expected to be understood and followed.

So does this argument mean that Republicans never make mistakes or are on the wrong side? No! And when they do, they are less conservative in making such judgments. I also believe that there are very many Joe and Susie farmroad Democrats in America that philosophically are more conservative than liberal.

What is perilously unfortunate is that many of these folks lend their political votes and will to radical ideologues such as the Clintons, out of ignorance or presuppositions that may be perceived but not verifiable. (Democrats care more about poor people, Democrats care more about race relations, Democrats are more fair or – my favorite – I've been a Democrat all my life and I will never be anything other than a Democrat. All of these make compelling reasons, do they not?)

But all of this being the case carries no meaning on whether the statement is any less true.

Liberal elites, Bill and Hillary Clinton, James Carville, Jesse Jackson, Terry McCaulliffe, Diane Feinstein and others are far more radical in their beliefs than they ever betray to the public – although it is nearly unavoidable, because through policy they betray their thought process. They believe that the state (similarly to socialism) is the great giver. Conservatives believe that God is.

Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion. Conservatives believe God established this world and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.

Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power. Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.

Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so. Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.

Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent. Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.

In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

I have no doubt that I will receive more hate mail from this column than any other I have ever written. Frankly I don't care. It is not up to the demagogues to instruct me on how to think. Liberals' ultimate goal is to shut down all opposing voices that counter their power-hungry rhetoric. But the truth must be told nonetheless.

You may not buy into the idea that liberals have a hard time dealing with truth. You may be of the opinion that "just seeing things different" is a sophisticated enough explanation for how liberals go about life. I beg to differ.

Hugh Hewitt documented in his recent column, "Democrats Will Get You Killed" how James Carville had a hard time even seeing the truth when hard physical evidence was laid directly before his eyes. Hillary Clinton's book has recently been debunked, not just by Ann Coulter, but by men who knew her well, such as Dick Morris and Sydney Blumenthal. And the Rev. Jesse Jackson is continuing to betray his supposed Christian beliefs by pressuring his named replacement for Operation Push, James T. Meeks, to go against his own Christian beliefs and vote in favor of homosexual license.

Liberal elites have no moral anchor and, I guess by nature, have difficulty understanding what virtue looks like.

Conservatives must wake up. Conservatives must speak up. For if they do not, their apathy will cause them to lose the very freedoms that they love so much today. And in doing so, the phrase "In God We Trust" will be nothing more than an outdated mantra of time before the world can remember.

And that friend, will be the saddest day of all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: coulter; faith
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1 posted on 07/04/2003 2:16:23 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
They have been on the wrong side of history ? at least American history ? primarily because they have been on the wrong side of God.

Well that's certainly a strong statement.
2 posted on 07/04/2003 2:34:38 AM PDT by lelio
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To: DPB101
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative? I am not a believer. But experience has taught me that man's nature (and mine) is deeply flawed; what the religious would call fallen. It is from that realization that humility, and conservatism, flow. After all, if man is flawed, a resistance to unchecked power in the name of some utopian goal, follows. That is the essence of the conservative temperament.

All I am saying, is that conservatism's ranks would be greatly enlarged, if it were not equated exclusively with those who have religious belief.
3 posted on 07/04/2003 2:50:23 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: DPB101
Well said - the crux of the matter, in my view.

Thanks for the post.

4 posted on 07/04/2003 2:51:30 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: DPB101
[Liberal elites] believe that the state (similarly to socialism) is the great giver. Conservatives believe that God is.
Liberal elites want lust for credit for making the state the great giver. And they want fear of (but not effective political opposition to) their making the state the great taker.

They lust for power.


5 posted on 07/04/2003 3:04:27 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ricpic
Even though I know many non-religious conservatives like yourself, I feel that the essential thesis of the article is metaphorically true -- and that you have the right of it as well.

"God," as used here, is the source of invariant laws that cannot be swept aside at whim or repealed by an act of some legislature. Such laws can only proceed from a fundamental, objective reality that inheres in all things. Catholics, among others, call it Natural Law and strive to conform to it.

If you believe in such a Law, then you must also accept that there are inescapable consequences for trying to violate it -- that your intentions, no matter how benign, are essentially irrelevant. It's an expression of humility, an admission that your powers and understanding are finite.

Therein lies the cleavage between conservatives and liberals. No liberal will admit that intentions don't matter in determining the effects from a specified cause. No liberal will admit that there are processes beyond his ability to curb by political means.

It's less a religious matter, strictly speaking, than a matter of self-exaltation.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

6 posted on 07/04/2003 3:04:39 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: ricpic
experience has taught me that man's nature (and mine) is deeply flawed; what the religious would call fallen. It is from that realization that humility, and conservatism, flow.
Quite.

It is also true that Christian doctrine teaches that our sin is simultaneously crucial--implying seperation from God--and unimportant, because accounted for by the blood of Christ to those whose humility allows them to accept God's gift of it.

And that such humility is itself a gift of God, in the person of the Holy Spirit.


7 posted on 07/04/2003 3:14:01 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

Not that I see. For reasons I cannot fathom however, many secular conservatives see those who are faithful as a threat. I don't understand that. They should be allies. The more people who look to a higher power than the state, the better off everyone is. Rather than encourage believers in their faith, secular conservatives seem to spend more time arguing with them, calling them superstitious or irrational and trying to draw them away from their faith.

Of course this goes the other way too...but Christians do have a duty to proselytize--doing so is an integral part of their faith. Secular conservatives may feel such an impluse but there is really no reason for it. Better off to let believers be and be glad they aren't looking to government to solve all their problems.

8 posted on 07/04/2003 3:21:33 AM PDT by DPB101
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Liberals think they are gods in that they believe if they get enough power they can legislate human nature. In reality, as history proves, when they get enough power they legislate human misery. May the God of love and mercy be with us all.
9 posted on 07/04/2003 3:23:39 AM PDT by abclily
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To: DPB101
Liberals are moral relativists. Of course they don't believe in organized religion. The ACLU is busy trying to stamp out God from America. Giving credence to the idea that society has values from past generations worth preserving is anathema to liberals. Especially when it goes under the yardstick of right and wrong. Liberals believe man is the ultimate repository of wisdom, authority, and action. Liberals believe progress is the motor of history and every thing that stands against it is to be swept out of its path. So no, liberals and conservatives have nothing in common. Unless there are some weak kneed Republicans ("useful idiots," as Lenin scornfully called such types) who want to advance the liberal agenda, the Left has no use for us. To put it bluntly we are their enemy.
10 posted on 07/04/2003 3:33:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: DPB101
you know the rules....(sigh)

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11 posted on 07/04/2003 3:57:34 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: DPB101; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.

How simply put, LoL! Happy 4th to all...

12 posted on 07/04/2003 4:15:34 AM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

The article does not imply anything of the kind. Ann's quote is, "Conservatives, by and large, believe in God."

No one said that it's a requirement.

13 posted on 07/04/2003 4:42:59 AM PDT by alnick (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: DPB101
For anyone who wishes to pursue this issue (and it's consequences) in depth, I suggest Chuck Colson's "How Now Shall We Live". He lays out the issues with great clarity and provides factual evidence for the truth.

When I get some time, I will post some excerpts. Every page is great but there is particulary excellent chapter on judicial activism in the last thirty yeas. Not only does he reference specific cases but he presents the genesis of the activism as well as the consequences.

14 posted on 07/04/2003 5:03:09 AM PDT by Pete
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To: RaceBannon
Race, if we could Photoshop wings to that picture, we would know what an angel looks like.

Hope you are mending well. Happy 4th to you.
15 posted on 07/04/2003 5:23:14 AM PDT by exit82 (Constitution?--I got your Constitution right here!--T. Daschle)
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

I think that's a "major" quibble and I find myself in the same position. Although I consider myself a staunch conservative my logic and intellect will not permit me to believe in many of the dogmas of the various religions.

Belief in a divine being is one thing. Belief in religion is totally different...IMO.

16 posted on 07/04/2003 5:25:12 AM PDT by evad (Hitlary..lying..It's WHAT she does, it's ALL she does and she WON'T stop...EVER!!)
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To: ricpic
John Adams had some great things to say about it:

"It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. Religion and virtue are the only foundations ... of republicanism and of all free governments."

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . ... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

17 posted on 07/04/2003 6:17:56 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: ricpic
All I am saying, is that conservatism's ranks would be greatly enlarged, if it were not equated exclusively with those who have religious belief.

What do you suggest?

18 posted on 07/04/2003 6:48:51 AM PDT by shiva
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To: lelio; Ahban; MississippiMan; Canadian Outrage; PeaceBeWithYou
"Well that's certainly a strong statement."

Strong yes, but it is because it is true. I have been saying this for years. The reason they work so hard against Christians and Christian beliefs is that they are the only thing standing in the way of liberalism/socialism completely dominating our way of life in America. Think about it. As the Scriptures say, no one can serve two masters for he will love the one and hate the other. As long as there are people who worship the true God and take Him at His word and proclaim His word in a way as to influence others, the evil designs of the liberal ideology cannot be fully implemented, therefore Christians are a constant obstruction on the road to their socialist utopia. They believe that if they can at least drive the Christians underground and out of the public eye, while at the same time disseminating the notion among an increasingly unchurched population that the Bible teaches hate, they will have it licked.

Their lack of understanding is glaring. In fairness to those who are simply deceived, I do not believe for a minute that their own feeble little brains concocted such notions, but that the archetype was birthed in the pit of hell and is nurtured by Satan himself. Their leaders are often evil personified, such as the Clintons, and most of us wouldn't even be surprised to see horns pop right out of their heads at some point in the middle of one of their obfuscation speeches. Their followers though, are most often either adherents to some imaginary notion that their Robin Hood ideology will somehow make life better for the perpetually castigated underclass and that absolute equality breeds content. Still others are just mindless idiots who either cannot or will not think for themselves and will gladly follow the one with the greatest emotional appeal, which will almost always be the democrats. What they fail to understand is that such a system as they dream of, at the point of becoming self-sustaining, would cast off its enablers as surely as the womb expels the afterbirth following the delivery of a child. They would then become as much a part of the slave class as the rest of us, all working to support the new elites. At that point, any church, not state approved, would be forbidden because the truth of God's word would be an abiding threat even then.

19 posted on 07/04/2003 7:46:32 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: DPB101; fporretto; conservatism_IS_compassion; alnick; evad; robertpaulsen; shiva
I have been secular my whole life. As far as I can tell, some believe, others don't. I know that that sounds simple minded. But we are talking about a mystery here. Some respond. Some don't. Or put more accurately, some aren't aware of that which is overwhelming to others.

At the risk of being called a materialist I would almost say that some have a belief "gene" which others lack.

Without falling into "can't we all just get along" drivel, it does seem to me that each party should be able to acknowledge that the other can arrive at a legitimate conservative stance, coming from a different perspective relative to faith. And yet this rarely happens.

I do acknowledge that what undergirds most conservative thought is faith based: There is a God. Man is made in God's image. Therefore Man (in his essence) is sacred. Conservative thought follows from that apprehension.

But can you be legitimately conservative without having faith? Can you, without faith, treat other men not as things, but as finally unknowable not be transgressed on others? I don't see why not.
20 posted on 07/04/2003 8:23:47 AM PDT by ricpic
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