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Jonah Goldberg: Bush bashers should get facts straight before crying 'liar'
Union Leader ^ | 6/30/03 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/30/2003 3:28:21 AM PDT by kattracks

I HAVEN'T WRITTEN much about the ongoing brouhaha over whether President Bush "lied" America into the war with Iraq.

The main reason for my silence is that it's a monstrously stupid argument — and usually deliberately so. But I have better reasons for my wait-and-see approach.

First, let's deal with the stupidity. The really dumb argument is that Bush simply made up the whole thing. This line is rarely offered explicitly by serious people because it is so illogical. But you will hear it alluded to by Democratic presidential candidates like Howard Dean or John Kerry who don't mind leaving the impression that Bush is a deceitful warmonger. And you will certainly find this "idea" buzzing around the fever swamps of the left, mostly on the Internet.

The basic problem with this analysis is it requires that Bush knew the truth but said the opposite. After all, a lie is only a lie if you know the truth and then say something very different. So in this case, Bush needed to know something nobody had an inkling of.

As Kenneth Pollack, formerly on Bill Clinton's national security staff, recently noted in The New York Times, "At no point before the war did the French, the Russians, the Chinese or any other country with an intelligence operation capable of collecting information in Iraq say it doubted that Baghdad was maintaining a clandestine weapons capability."

The United Nations weapons inspectors reported time and again throughout the 1990s that Saddam had not disarmed. The only time he could have disarmed was during the four-year period when no inspections took place. No serious person thinks Saddam did that. Even French foreign minister Dominique de Villepin admitted last November, "The security of the Americans is under threat from people like Saddam Hussein who are capable of using chemical and biological weapons."

In fact, Bush must have known Bill Clinton was wrong, too. Either that, or Bill Clinton was a liar as well. Because in 1998, Bill Clinton spoke forcefully to the American people about the grave threat posed by Iraq's mounting chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

On Dec. 19, 1998, right after Bill Clinton was flouting the will of our allies and the U.N. by launching a military strike against the Iraqis, President Clinton told the American people in a televised address: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. ... Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. ... Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."

The strike was wildly popular with most prominent Democrats at the time, most of whom — including Presidential candidates Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman, and John Kerry — were strong Iraq hawks until a few months ago.

But according to the purist "Bush lied" school, not only was everyone wrong about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, but Bush secretly knew it and didn't say so. Moreover, he was so convincing in his lies he was able to mislead Democratic leaders, veterans of the Clinton administration and the global intelligence community. And you thought Reagan was an actor.

Now, there are intelligent anti-Bush arguments out there. The most defensible, and therefore most serious, is that Bush exaggerated one threat or another, particularly the danger from Saddam's nuclear weapons program. It's certainly true that the White House was wrong to place so much credence on forged documents purporting to show Saddam was trying to purchase uranium in Niger.

But the more intelligent the criticisms of Bush become, the less useful they are for scoring cheap political points.

And that brings me to the main reason I've kept my tongue on this whole issue. We don't know enough yet. Worse, every week something we thought we knew turns out not to be true.

Saddam's dead. No, he isn't. But Chemical Ali is dead. Oh wait, maybe he isn't. Baathists are heading to Syria. No, wait that's not true. The Baghdad Museum looting was the disaster of the millennium. Whoops, it was a minor problem. Recently at a British media forum, leading journalists admitted that the U.S. "attack" on the Palestine Hotel, which killed two journalists, was "overblown." Don't even get me started on Jessica Lynch.

More important, just this week we learned that an Iraqi scientist was ordered by Uday Hussein to keep vital parts and documents for a nuclear weapons program under a rose bush in his garden. In a separate discovery, U.S. troops found scads of documents in a warehouse relating to various weapons programs. And, they found 300 sacks of castor beans — the principal ingredient for the toxin ricin — which were conveniently mislabeled "fertilizer."

If Bush lied, we'll find out. And if he did, he should face the consequences. But because I'm not an opportunistic Democratic Presidential candidate or batty Bush-hating journalist, I don't mind waiting a few months to get my facts straight.

Jonah Goldberg is the editor of National Review Online, available at www.nationalreview.com



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1 posted on 06/30/2003 3:28:21 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I love this guy. Jonah Goldberg is one of the few reasons to ever watch anything on CNN.

Maybe the only reason.
2 posted on 06/30/2003 3:38:57 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I love this guy. Jonah Goldberg is one of the few reasons to ever watch anything on CNN.

Add Lou Dobbs, Kudlow and sometimes Cramer, and as a bonus they have added two knockout newsbabes. Dont know the names... Other than that, zilch..

3 posted on 06/30/2003 3:55:54 AM PDT by doosee
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To: kattracks
an opportunistic Democratic Presidential candidate or batty Bush-hating journalist

They would rather play "gotcha" than be right. After all, even if the "gotcha" later turns out to be wrong, the doubt was created and damage was done. Mission accomplished.
4 posted on 06/30/2003 4:01:14 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kattracks
Good column.I am content to let the candidates rant and make fools of themselves.
5 posted on 06/30/2003 4:25:25 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: kattracks
"it's a monstrously stupid argument — and usually deliberately so."

Of course it is. It is merely yet one more example (of countless) of how immoral, dishonest "Liberal"/Democrat leaders manipulate the fools who follow them. The Democrat Party: the party of fools and scoundrels.

6 posted on 06/30/2003 4:38:39 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Democrat! Vote for national--and personal--suicide! It's like being a suicide bomber!)
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To: leadpenny
Goldberg used to hate Clinton now he cites him as a credible source on WMD! Politics makes strange bedfellows.
7 posted on 06/30/2003 5:29:47 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Goldberg used to hate Clinton now he cites him as a credible source on WMD! Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Uh, I think he was using to illustrate the hypocrisy of the left...

8 posted on 06/30/2003 5:33:33 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
I thought that the question on the table was whether there are WMD's not to "score points" against hypocrites. Citing Liar Bill Clinton as a credible source (remember his false claims about genocide in Kosovo) is just a cheap debating trick and does not address this question.
9 posted on 06/30/2003 5:57:41 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: IncPen; Captain Kirk
I noted this on another thread:

"Actually this brings up a good point. Assuming Clinton was also lying about WMDs and knew the CIA had made up evidence, how many milliseconds would it take for him to come on TV, biting his lower lip, and tell the world how he was duped and how Bush lying or being duped too?"

10 posted on 06/30/2003 6:06:58 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Captain Kirk
WMD is still a question on the table. IMO, the author is addressing the "Bush knew/Bush lied" rantings.

" The basic problem with this analysis is it requires that Bush knew the truth but said the opposite. After all, a lie is only a lie if you know the truth and then say something very different. So in this case, Bush needed to know something nobody had an inkling of. "~ J. Goldberg


11 posted on 06/30/2003 6:21:46 AM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: Susannah
That quote is incredible double-talk. By the way, I do not believe that Dubya just that he stretched to truth beyond the breaking point.
12 posted on 06/30/2003 6:53:24 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Susannah
That should be "I don't believe Dubya lied just that...
13 posted on 06/30/2003 7:17:36 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
The point with Clinton is that he can't get off the stage, and says idiotic things that nobody calls him on.

If the leftis going to skewer Bush on a charge of inventing claims of WMD, it seems logical to point out that the left's heroes (Clinton included) also believed there were WMDs in Iraq

It's not a matter of scoring points. It is a matter of establishing the ground rules for debate. If your opponents are going to disingenuously accuse you of lying, you need to point out that you're using the same assumptions that they used to come to the same conclusions

Clintonism thrives on the public inattention to detail
14 posted on 06/30/2003 7:59:39 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
In that case, a plague on both your houses. Most Americans, and increasingly most conservativesk, are not interested in these petty partisan squabbles. They want answers, not gamesmanship.
15 posted on 06/30/2003 11:43:42 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
They want answers, not gamesmanship.

Every other intelligence service in the world, including the French, insisted that there were WMDs. Every single one of them.

Were they all "gaming"?

16 posted on 06/30/2003 11:50:37 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: kattracks
More important, just this week we learned that an Iraqi scientist was ordered by Uday Hussein to keep vital parts and documents for a nuclear weapons program under a rose bush in his garden.

Rose bush documents, pumpkin papers... Interesting.

17 posted on 06/30/2003 11:52:10 AM PDT by js1138
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To: sinkspur
The French admitted that Iraq had WMD in the past but they did not claim they currently had them.

Regardless, it is rather amusing to see a Freeper citing the French government as a legitimate source. I guess the desperation of the pro-war freepers (citing Clinton, France, and the UN as credible authorities!) knows no bounds.

18 posted on 06/30/2003 11:53:10 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Regardless, it is rather amusing to see a Freeper citing the French government as a legitimate source. I guess the desperation of the pro-war freepers (citing Clinton, France, and the UN as credible authorities!) knows no bounds.

No. What's funny is that you seem to think everybody in the world was wrong but you!

19 posted on 06/30/2003 11:55:46 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I am indeed sorry, Sinkspur. I guess I need to model myself after a thoughtful, nuanced person like you who rejects knee-jerks partisanship.
20 posted on 06/30/2003 12:03:22 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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