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ME IDENTIFIES 1,500TH WTC VICTIM (NEVER FORGET WHY WE FIGHT THE WAR ON TERROR!)
Newsday ^ | 6/18/03

Posted on 06/18/2003 4:10:36 PM PDT by areafiftyone

Edited on 06/18/2003 4:31:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Geneartius
The commission is pointless. Just because there were previous commissions in the past does not mean we need one now. It serves no major purpose except to try to cast blame on the administration.

It would not look into the previous administration's culpability, that is for sure being set up in New York.

I see no need for a commission that no doubt will not look at the right issues, but only try to cast blame on Republicans.
21 posted on 06/18/2003 4:43:13 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: areafiftyone
rian Hickey, a firefighter. Hickey was identified on what would have been his 49th birthday, and exactly a year after his family laid to rest a coffin that held his crushed, dirt-caked helmet -- then, the only sign of him found in the ruins.

How heartbreaking, and God bless them for working so hard to bring him home to his family. The article is so sad, stating that one body was found in 200 pieces! The horror of it all, and to think, there are those who are screaming about the war on terror!

22 posted on 06/18/2003 4:46:31 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: reagan_fanatic
Their blood will be avenged, drop by terrible drop...

I hope so, but we don't fight just the radical Islamics now, we fight the left, and even some supposedly on the right.

23 posted on 06/18/2003 4:47:49 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Geneartius
The Warren Commission, headed by Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, was formed just seven days after President Kennedy was assassinated.

Not that I'm really against a 9/11 commission, mind you, but there seems to be an implicit assumption in your/Salon's criticism that Government commissions are the best way to ascertain the truth about something.

Is this assumption really warranted? ;-)

24 posted on 06/18/2003 4:49:37 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: All; DoughtyOne
NEVER FORGET


...Both Former Hi-CLINTON Contributor and Terrorism Expert-Nuclear Expert-FoX News Foreign Affairs Expert MONSOOR IJAZ...

...and the Former Sudanese Ambassador to the U.S./U.N. confirm that the CLINTONS refused 3-Free Offers to send us OSAMA bin LADEN from the Sudan for trials in the U.S. during the 1990's that would have prevented the Attacks of September 11, 2001 on US in advance.

...That being the case...

.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..

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...The CLINTONS are responsible for the sudden death of my fellow Battle of IA DRANG-1965 Veteran and World Trade Center Lifesaving Tower 2 Hero RICK RESCORLA who still needs to be made whole.

...To sign our Petition for President BUSH to award RICK RESCORLA the Presidential Medal of FREEDOM:

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Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE Guyer / Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965


NEVER FORGET


25 posted on 06/18/2003 4:53:30 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.comt)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
* ping
26 posted on 06/18/2003 4:56:49 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (White Devils for Sharpton. We're bad. We're Nationwide)
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To: waterstraat
Lets also put this into context. ... Still, our population increases by 3000 each day or two due to immigration,

That's some "context"... I guess if American were vaporized, all 280 million of us killed, and then a fraction of India came here and took our place, that would "put it in context" as well...? ;-)

Yes, it was bad, but 3000 people dying did not cause this economic depression we are in.

What economic depression? There may be a "recession" depending on how these things are defined, but no way is it a depression.

And two more things. 1. How do you know that 9/11 didn't contribute significantly to the current recession? 2. Even if it didn't, that doesn't "put" anything "in context". The fact that 9/11 didn't help cause all current bad situations doesn't diminish its importance.

We are not fighting in Iraq because of the 17 people who did this, because most of them(14) were Saudi's from Saudi Arabia, not Iraqis.

The fact that the majority of hijackers were Saudi nationals doesn't prove that we are not fighting in Iraq "because of 9/11". It's actually quite reasonable to suggest that we are fighting in Iraq because of 9/11; after all, just ask yourself if we would have invaded Iraq had there been no 9/11. It would have been near unthinkable.

Please understand this doesn't mean I'm saying that Iraq perpretrated 9/11. Just that the fact that 9/11 wasn't perpretated by Iraqi nationals doesn't mean that our war in Iraq wasn't connected to that event.

After we were attacked at Pearl Harbor by Japanese nationals, we made war against Germany for some reason, despite the fact that no German nationals participated in the Pearl Harbor attack. This probably confuses you as well?

Too many people are trying to put all the blame of everything, the war, and the economy, on the WTC incident,

Actually, I don't think anyone is trying to put "all the blame of everything" on the WTC incident. Who is, in your view?

and on Iraq.

Ditto. No one's blaming everything on Iraq. I don't know who you think you're responding to with your post.

27 posted on 06/18/2003 4:59:56 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: waterstraat
did not cause this economic depression we are in.

We're in a depression?

zho how do you figure that?
29 posted on 06/18/2003 5:06:45 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Geneartius
But is there any other option for an investigation that everybody could agree with?

Actually there are zero options for an investigation that everyone could agree with. :-)

Again, I have no real problem in principle with a Government Commission to investigate 9/11, I'm just saying it isn't the panacea of truth discovery it's being made out to be. Best,

30 posted on 06/18/2003 5:07:03 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: areafiftyone
Never Forget!
31 posted on 06/18/2003 5:08:45 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: CholeraJoe
Thank you very much for the heads-up on this. I was actually over there yesterday to say prayers for the few I knew and the many I did not, and to reiterate my vow to them that I'll never let the world forget.

I know that for some families, being informed of found/identified body parts of their loved ones force them to think about the suffering and agony (both physical and emotional) that their loved ones suffered in their last moments on Earth.

32 posted on 06/18/2003 5:11:42 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Hillary: The Most Powerful Viagra Antidote)
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To: wimpycat
Yes, it was bad, but 3000 people dying did not cause this economic depression we are in. The hell it didn't. It had a huge impact on our economy.

Every day, 3000 babies die, yet we increase our population by 3000 each day. The fact that on 9/11, 6000 died, and our population held constant for one day, did not have "any" effect on our economy,it is too small, and too little, to have any effect on our huge economy. People who blame the poor economy for the past 2 years on one single day where the population in the United States did not increase, are using it as an excuse. There are 280 million people in this county, we have 3000 abortions each day, we have 5000 births each day, we immigrate 57,000 new legal immigrants each week, and another illegal 50,000 come in each day.

3000 extra people dying on 9-11 did not hurt our economy any more than Pearl Harbor did in 1941, nor did D-Day in June of 1944 throw us into an economic depression, nor Gettysburg, nor the massacre of Custer in 1876, etc , etc.

Frankly, I would like to see those responsible for the 14 Saudis and the 3 others from the United Arab Emerites who DID blew up the WTC(not the Iraqis) and kill americans to be found and punsished.

In the final analysis, the war in Iraq was actually a detraction to the finding of those who did cause the WTC and pentagon killings.

33 posted on 06/18/2003 5:12:28 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
NEVER FORGET
34 posted on 06/18/2003 5:15:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: waterstraat
Every one of those people meant more to someone than the whole world. It's really quite offensive for you to be adding and subtracting them, and talking about money in the same breath, as if one person was as good as the next, and it really doesn't amount to much.
35 posted on 06/18/2003 5:16:13 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: Dr. Frank
After we were attacked at Pearl Harbor by Japanese nationals, we made war against Germany for some reason, despite the fact that no German nationals participated in the Pearl Harbor attack. This probably confuses you as well?

It does not confuse me at all, does it confuse you?

"some reason"?

I will tell you what that "some reason" was:

FYI: Germany formally declared war on the United States immediately after Pearl Harbor.

36 posted on 06/18/2003 5:17:17 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: areafiftyone
I find it incredible that people still refer to the cold-blooded, deliberate, mass slaughter of American citizens on American soil on 9-11 as a "tragedy".
37 posted on 06/18/2003 5:22:25 PM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: waterstraat
Every day, 3000 babies die, yet we increase our population by 3000 each day. The fact that on 9/11, 6000 died, and our population held constant for one day, did not have "any" effect on our economy,it is too small, and too little, to have any effect on our huge economy.

You seem to think "economy" is a synonym for "population". I may not be an economist but even I know that's a load of crap. The fact that the WTC was destroyed, that airplane flights became instantaneously more expensive and time-consuming, that tourism decreased, that tax money formerly used for more productive things was instantly diverted to security and military... none of these things figure on your economic radar screen. It's all just population numbers and to you, nothing else affects the economy. Don't you know how downright idiotic that sounds?

People who blame the poor economy for the past 2 years on one single day where the population in the United States did not increase, are using it as an excuse.

Nobody "blames" the poor economy completely on 9/11. You're right that 9/11 did not completely cause the current economy. After all, the economy had started slumping at the end of Clinton's term. You're right that there are, and have been, other factors.

But 9/11 didn't help. Did it?

There are 280 million people in this county, we have 3000 abortions each day, we have 5000 births each day, we immigrate 57,000 new legal immigrants each week, and another illegal 50,000 come in each day.

Fascinating. Irrelevant.

3000 extra people dying on 9-11 did not hurt our economy any more than..

Get it through your skull: it's not merely the dead people which harmed the economy per se. Sheesh.

Frankly, I would like to see those responsible for the 14 Saudis and the 3 others from the United Arab Emerites who DID blew up the WTC(not the Iraqis) and kill americans to be found and punsished.

Me too.

In the final analysis, the war in Iraq was actually a detraction to the finding of those who did cause the WTC and pentagon killings.

How so?

FYI: Germany formally declared war on the United States immediately after Pearl Harbor.

But that can't be. Americans did not participate in attacks against Germany just as Iraqis participated in 9/11.

38 posted on 06/18/2003 5:28:04 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Joe 6-pack
Oh my God I am reading your post. I am reading my posting on that day and I am reliving it all over again!
39 posted on 06/18/2003 5:28:50 PM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: wimpycat
Every one of those people meant more to someone than the whole world. It's really quite offensive for you to be adding and subtracting them, and talking about money in the same breath, as if one person was as good as the next, and it really doesn't amount to much.

I had a close relative who was murdered practically on the same day as 9-11. It is really quite offensive of "YOU" to say that the death of anyone, my relative, is is not as "good" as another, just because they may have been murdered in a place other than in NYC or Washington DC that day.

Furthermore, FYI, the United States did not go to war with Iraq, and the american economy did not lose 3 million jobs, just because "my" relative happened to be murdered that day.

If you are trying to show some "benefit"(i.e. war on terror, economy, whatever) to my relative being murdered on 9-11, or the other people in the WTC being murdered on 9-11, then prove it and tell us how it relates. Prove to us how we are now safer, how we have less to fear from terroris, or being murdered.

I dont see how any of us are now safer, or, have less to fear from terrorism now, then we did several years ago.

40 posted on 06/18/2003 5:29:37 PM PDT by waterstraat
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