[aruanan]

But now it appears that standing for principle is actually harming the kids.

You're engaging in some mental gymnastics here and don't even appear to be aware of it.

[Mr. Bird]

You're engaging in some mental gymnastics here and don't even appear to be aware of it.

You are correct that I am unaware of my mental gymnastics here. I wouldn't teach my kids about the American penal system by sending them to jail, why would I wish to educate them on the dangers of totalitarianism by surrendering them to the state? In case you didn't notice, the kids are no longer in the custody of their parents. I fail to see that as anything but a very bad thing.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Statements like that will get you on the Enemies List post haste.