[JmyBryan]

Whenever you talk creationism, you simply can't get past the chicken or the egg conundrum. It's obvious the "chicken" always comes out of some "egg", ie undifferentiated self into differentiated self. Beginnings are arbitrary, dependent on your perception of time - an immense aspect of what we call consciousness. In physics time/space is same thing. We only have glimpses of other times - life spans of other creatures, altered states of perception. God must be absolute time or timelessness, yet an infinity of times. Your Kabbalistic teachings state categorically that God is ultimately formlessness, void, chaos, nothingness (Ain). Consciousness is recognition of otherness - or binary good/evil, on/off reality - a direct reflection of one's differentiated state. Number comes next, counting the on/off occurences. Whenever the counting starts is the beginning, though the on/off may or may not have been eternally present in God - no beginning per se. In this complexity, arguments of the betterness of creation or evolution would seem to exclude ultra-complex explanations of yet unperceived timelessness and creations. We will never fully grasp the ultimate void (beginning) unless we perceive undifferentiatedness - meaning no consciousness or memory in the sense that we can describe it to one another in linear time-dependent symbolism (language).

All that gobbledygook leads to one question: Is the process of differentiation named creation or evolution? From my perspective it's all about the intent of describing the process. Is mystery mechanical or is mechanical mysterious? Both perspectives can lead to greater knowledge. All that matters is honest exposition.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post! It was quite engaging.

For Lurkers interested in following up on your statement that "In physics time/space is same thing" I'd like to offer this link on the construction of the Lorentz Transformation

Is the process of differentiation named creation or evolution? From my perspective it's all about the intent of describing the process. Is mystery mechanical or is mechanical mysterious? Both perspectives can lead to greater knowledge. All that matters is honest exposition.

IMHO, there would probably not be so great a hostility, and little offense to the mention of intelligent design or evolution, if there were no political and ideological agendas.

We will never fully grasp the ultimate void (beginning) unless we perceive undifferentiatedness - meaning no consciousness or memory in the sense that we can describe it to one another in linear time-dependent symbolism (language).

Indeed, null beginning is a concept which exceeds the capability of language. But the geometric mechanics (4D space/time) are more accessible from the higher dimensional dynamics:

Classical and Quantized Aspects of Dynamics in Five Dimensional Relativity (pdf)