Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo

CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

[Aquinasfan]

Either there is a natural law or there isn't. In the latter case, everything is permissible. Everything. Most Americans are afraid to face this hard dichotomy; acceptance of it requires either reform or a descent into hell. The APA, however, is simply following the argument to its (il)logical conclusion.

[carlo3b]

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

Hmmmmmm, putting it in those terms...

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[Aquinasfan]

I was molested as a child by a stranger in our home.

Any tips for protecting my two girls? I never leave them alone with any male. And I have yet to let them go into a friend's house without being under a trustworthy mother's supervision.

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[jgrubbs]

I have always said that when Homosexuality is accepted as a normal part of culture then Pedophilia would be next.

The fact that they would even consider this is very sad!

[maxwell]

Thesis: Legitimize pedophilia. Antithesis: That's too extreme. Synthesis: Okay than we'll just legitimize a little thing like gender identity confusion.

Good points, all.

Part of my problem with this sort of thing is, I am a scientist (a REAL scientist) and I find it hard to "legitimize" anything in psych., etc. as remotely "scientific". The way my mind works is, I automatically view all this hoopla as folks piddling around trying to validate their opinions (under duress of sociopolitical activism, no less). That's all this is-- a sociopolitical exercise. Nothing scientific, or even academic, about it.

Before I got all riled up about NAMBLA roaming the streets looking for whom it may devour, I reminded myself that the age-of-consent issue is one that will preclude the legalization of pedophilia, as far as the law is concerned. At least for a while. With these recent attempts by PP et al. to do away with parental consent requirements for medical procedures like teen abortions, e.g., one has to wonder, however. I am still recovering from last night's beans and Stoli but I think that for some reason, activists of all stripes are working to make children out to be autonomous in matters of sex and reproduction, two areas in which even the most mature of us have a hard time negotiating in life. Just something that has been knocking around in my head lately, trying to understand what I see as a trend...

[Fiddlstix]

Psychiatry is not a science, it's an agenda

Well Said!

[jgrubbs]

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

There are some very sick psychiatrists out there!

[SauronOfMordor]

I really have trouble seeing this happening. Beyond the whole "disorder" issue, one of the big reasons that it's a crime is because children are considered to be incapable of informed consent.

I can see a big push by the pedophiles to get age of consent lowered nationwide. Currently, Canada has it at 14, and I can see it being pushed for in the US.

The main targets of gay pedophiles are young teens, rather than pre-adolescants. (The push for lowering consent still further will come later)

Consider the madness that has the US considering that a young person does not have the maturity to drink alcohol responsibly until 21, yet is mature enough to cast a vote for President at 18, and is mature enough to have sex which involves risk of pregnancy or a fatal disease at an even younger age

[John O]

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

Of course many of these molested children are living fulfilled lives suffering from Same-sex Attraction Disorder in some facet of the homosexual lifestyle.

Remember that 'homosexuals' do not reproduce, they recruit.

[-YYZ-]

That brings up an interesting point. Isn't pedophilia, strictly speaking (at least in hetero terms, leaving aside gays for a moment) an unhealthy (ie sick) sexual interest in pre-adolescent children? An interest in adolescent teens under the age of 18 is more socially unacceptable than it is a deviant desire - show me a healthy male who isn't at least somewhat sexually aroused by a healthy 15 year old girl.

[John O]

from the article:
Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

The problem (for them) is that GID is easily treatable and has a pretty good cure rate. If it's not a mental illness why can it be cured?

you->My nomination for the Most Conflicted Statement of the year. Wonder what the reaction of any of these Honorable Doctors would be if they barged in and found "Uncle" Ben diddling their little boy, or little girl?

Why, they'd join in of course. Sexual deviants are as sexual deviants do. (the truth of the matter is that they probably sponsored the activity as "Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive" and they didn't want their children to miss out.)

I agree with scientology in one and only one area. (most) Psychiatrists are not to be trusted. (I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day)

[Torie]

And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

I wonder what Linda Nicolosi's "disorder" is. Whatever it is, it is a threat to the public square.

[jgrubbs]

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of disorders.

[dsc]

"WTF? Those are some "learned journal articles" that I would like to see."

Well, sure. Often a molested child or teenager responds maladaptively to the trauma of molestation, building a structure of defenses that rests on the premise that he is "gay" and this is a good thing to be. He *has* to maintain that the molestation was a positive experience, or the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

If he ever realized that his so-called "sexual orientation" wsa nothing more than a maladaptive response to a terrible trauma, what would he be? Just somebody who had something terrible done to him and let it lead him into disordered sexual behavior.

As long as he can keep his defenses in place, he's a member of a "community," of a self-anointed elite, a morally superior soldier in the front lines of the war against repression and bigotry--I mean, "everybody knows" that "gays" are more sensitive, artistic, creative, intelligent, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Who would want to give all that up just to be a poor schmuck who suffers from same-sex attraction disorder because he was molested?

It's not surprising that many whose entire self-image centers on their homosexual behavior would in memory recast the molestation that precipitated their disorder as an "awakening," a "learning experience," as the first time they "knew what they were" and knew there were others "like them."

Nor, sadly, is it surprising that many of the nutbars who make up the APA would buy into that crap.

But "scientific journals?" Yeah, like Hustler Magazine is a religious tract.

[Polycarp]

How much longer, Oh Lord?!?

[jgrubbs]

And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

I wonder what Linda Nicolosi's "disorder" is. Whatever it is, it is a threat to the public square.

This article reads like Nicolosi supports removing these "mental illnesses", but she also authored "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality" I would think she would be against this. Here is a Web site with more information about her and links to the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality website

http://www.gospelcom.net/cgi-ivpress/author.pl/author_id=1313

[dsc]

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said."

Ummm...because listening to religious speech is in no way comparable to having sexual acts perpetrated on one's body?

Is she really that stupid? Or does she just think her audience is that stupid?

She needs to try a simple thought experiment. Offer her the choice of somebody unattractive forcing her to perform sexual acts she doesn't like, or of listening to some religious speech for an hour.

That one is really a no-brainer.

[dsc]

"I reminded myself that the age-of-consent issue is one that will preclude the legalization of pedophilia, as far as the law is concerned. At least for a while."

But for how long? England, I'm sure you know, just lowered the age of consent for buggering a boy from 18 to 16.

[SauronOfMordor]

show me a healthy male who isn't at least somewhat sexually aroused by a healthy 15 year old girl.

This is why I supervise the activities of my almost-15-year-old daughter