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Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - In a step critics charge could result in decriminalizing sexual contact between adults and children, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) recently sponsored a symposium in which participants discussed the removal of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Most of the mental illnesses being considered for removal are known as "paraphilias."

Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented conferees with a paper entitled "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal."

People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

Different societies stigmatize different sexual behaviors, and since the existing research could not distinguish people with paraphilias from so-called "normophilics," there is no reason to diagnose paraphilics as either a distinct group or psychologically unhealthy, Moser and Kleinplatz stated.

Participants also debated gender-identity disorder, a condition in which a person feels discomfort with his or her biological sex. Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

"The situation of the paraphilias at present parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970s. Without the support or political astuteness of those who fought for the removal of homosexuality, the paraphilias continue to be listed in the DSM," Moser and Kleinplatz wrote.

A. Dean Byrd, vice president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Utah, condemned the debate. Taking the paraphilias out of the DSM without research would have negative consequences, he said.

"What this does, in essence, is it has a chilling effect on research," Byrd said. "That is, once you declassify it, there's no reason to continue studying it. What we know is that the paraphilias really impair interpersonal sexual behavior...and to suggest that it could be 'normalized' simply takes away from the science, but more importantly, has a chilling effect on research."

"Normalizing" pedophilia would have enormous implications, especially since civil laws closely follow the scientific community on social-moral matters, said Linda Ames Nicolosi, NARTH publications director.

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

But whether pedophilia should be judged "normal and healthy" is as much a moral question as a scientific one, according to Nicolosi.

"The courts are so afraid of 'legislating someone's privately held religious beliefs' that if pedophilia is normalized, we will be hard put to defend the retention of laws against child molestation," Nicolosi noted.

In a fact sheet on pedophilia, the APA calls the behavior "criminal and immoral."

"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA said.

However, the APA failed to address whether it considers a person with a pedophile orientation to have a mental disorder.

"That is the question that is being actively debated at this time within the APA, and that is the question they have not answered when they respond that such relationships are 'immoral and illegal,'" Nicolosi said.

Dr. Darrel A. Regier, director of research for the APA, said there were "no plans and there is no process set up that would lead to the removal of the paraphilias from their consideration as legitimate mental disorders."

Some years ago, the APA considered the question of whether a person who had such attractions but did not act on them should still be labeled with a disorder.

"We clarified in the DSM-IV-TR...that if a person acted on those urges, we considered it a disorder," Regier said.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, author of a study on change of sexual orientation that he presented at the 2001 APA convention, took part in the symposium in San Francisco in May.

Spitzer said the debate on removing gender identity disorder from the DSM was generated by people in the homosexual activist community "who are troubled by gender identity disorder in particular."

Spitzer added: "I happen to think that's a big mistake."

What Spitzer considered the most outrageous proposal, to get rid of the paraphilias, "doesn't have the same support that the gender-identity rethinking does." And he said he considers it unlikely that changes would be made regarding the paraphilias.

"Getting rid of the paraphilias, which would mean getting rid of pedophilia, that would not happen in a million years. I think there might be some compromise about gender-identity disorder," he said.

Dr. Frederick Berlin, founder of the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, said people who are sexually attracted to children should learn not to feel ashamed of their condition.

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children. But certainly, such an individual has a responsibility...not to act on it," Berlin said.

"Many of these people need help in not acting on these very intense desires in the same way that a drug addict or alcoholic may need help. Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

"We do believe that these people have a disease or a disorder, but we also recognize that in having it that it impairs their function, that it causes them suffering that they need to turn for help," Berlin said.

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To: kattracks
This is so sick. Perverted pedophiles have infiltrated the group.
121 posted on 06/11/2003 11:33:02 AM PDT by Dante3 (.)
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To: Qwerty
Wow. You think society has rights. Actually, only individuals have rights.

And your lack of logic addresses what? That individual rights aren’t the 9th minus 10th amendments? Hehe

Yeah. And ownership of guns isn't a "right" in some states. You agree with that too?

More mentally ill logic, show me where sodomy is a right in the constitution?

Your concept of truth bears little to no resemblance to reality. Aside from that, truth CAN be ad hominem. You didn't know?

Maybe in the mentally ill mind that doesn’t want to know the reality of her pathology.

122 posted on 06/11/2003 11:36:15 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"And your lack of logic addresses what? That individual rights aren’t the 9th minus 10th amendments? Hehe"

It addresses the fact that "society" is not recognized to have rights.

"More mentally ill logic, show me where sodomy is a right in the constitution?"

The 9th amendment is a hint. You're really prepared to give it all to the government, aren't you? You actually feel that government has a compelling interest to regulate private, adult, consensual behavior.

And you favor smaller government, how exactly?

So.. do you at least admit that truth can be an ad hominem? Or are you going to gloss over this glaring mistake?

124 posted on 06/11/2003 11:42:53 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
How is it that you manage to turn every thread into a discussion of homosexuality?

If you want to discuss the de-listing of pedophilia, then post to me and I'll be glad to talk about it. If you want to argue (badly) about homosexuality, either mail me or keep it on a thread about homosexuality.

125 posted on 06/11/2003 11:45:13 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: DeepDish
If I imagine a Saudi iman reading an article like this I begin to understand their loathing of our culture.

Why? Their "prophet" had a six-year-old girl as a wife (and definitely consumated that marriage by the time she was 9).

Such activities are evil, but it is an evil that has been with humanity for quite some time; and an evil that other cultures, especially Islamic ones, often refuse to recognize.

126 posted on 06/11/2003 11:48:03 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: kattracks
I know of two psychiatrists in the Bay Area. I am sure both of them were at this conference. I'm going to ask one of them about this.

I have worked in psych. I don't know one nurse, physician or tech who would ever support the idea of pedophilia being normal. A good number of their patients are the screwed up victims!
127 posted on 06/11/2003 11:54:47 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Freakazoid
They are not mentally ill. They are sane criminal scum.

They are criminals all right. But I don't think criminals are sane.

Not as if it mattered much; it's a question of how you define "sane." Whatever definition you choose, though, it should be clear that no one must be forgiven his crimes just because he is considered a vegetable.

128 posted on 06/11/2003 12:05:36 PM PDT by Smile-n-Win (The EU will break up any day, but the USA is here to stay!)
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To: kattracks; LiteKeeper
Bump and SPOTREP ping
130 posted on 06/11/2003 12:13:24 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (Caution: Wet Floor....(Tagline is being sanitized for your protection))
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To: montag813
What about beastiality???!!!
131 posted on 06/11/2003 12:16:28 PM PDT by kdmhcdcfld (Any rebroadcast of this tagline without the express written consent of FreeRepublic is prohibited.)
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To: Qwerty
It addresses the fact that "society" is not recognized to have rights.

Oh please, society is a group of individuals and you know that’s who and what I was addressing. .. Nice try again at sophistry though.

The 9th amendment is a hint.

But it’s at the mercy of the 10th so your example is wrong in many cases, so AGAIN where is sodomy listed in the constitution like gun ownership?

You're really prepared to give it all to the government, aren't you?

I’m prepared to live by the constitution unlike you and if you live in one the states that has sodomy laws that would make you a felon.

You actually feel that government has a compelling interest to regulate private, adult, consensual behavior.

It does for the sake of society, like consensual pedophilia, bestiality, drug and euthanasia laws.

And you favor smaller government, how exactly?

Exactly how it’s been for the past couple hundred years.

So.. do you at least admit that truth can be an ad hominem? Or are you going to gloss over this glaring mistake?

Nope, the truth is not an attack on ones character, it’s simply the truth.

How is it that you manage to turn every thread into a discussion of homosexuality?

It’s gereally because the thread is about homosexuality.

If you want to discuss the de-listing of pedophilia, then post to me and I'll be glad to talk about it.

This thread is about paraphilic disorder so homosexuality, bestiality…are all included.

If you want to argue (badly) about homosexuality, either mail me or keep it on a thread about homosexuality.

No need, you’re here because you are a homosexual so why pretend otherwise?

132 posted on 06/11/2003 12:17:55 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: sweetliberty
How about the words of Carman?

America's dead and dying hand is on the threshold of the church while the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah vex us all

When it gets to the point that people would rather come out of the closet than clean it, it's a sign that the judgment of God is gonna fall

133 posted on 06/11/2003 12:28:12 PM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: Labyrinthos
"...Second, if pedophilia is not a mental illness under DSM-IV, then it is no longer subject to the insanity defense or similar defenses that try to excuse behavior on account of mental illness...

Ah,but step follows step: When it is declared that XYZ is not a mental illness, that it stands to follow that it (like homosexuality) is either:

a) An inhert condition
or
b) An "orintation"

neither of which is a crime. Indeed, this could very easily be spun in this fashion:

"Yes, my client knows that XYZ is not a usual practice and is even condemned by many others in society. And, yes, he still does it. And we know now it's not a mental illness. We know he isn't 'crazy'. So the question is not 'Did he do it?' but 'Why did he do it?' Because it is his sexual orintation. Something he was born with. Something over which he has no control..."

134 posted on 06/11/2003 12:33:07 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: kattracks
"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

Now there's a an abnormality. This nutcase is suffering from delusions of grandeur. Does he REALLY think that all of society stops and accepts what ever his so-called profession declares? Does he really think their opinions supersede the legal and electoral process in this country?

This is the problem, these whackos place too much self-importance in themselves.

135 posted on 06/11/2003 12:36:15 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: saramundee
You better go tell Vice President Cheney so he can go lock up his daughter. She is a lesbian and according to you, mentally ill.

What? Because she's the VP's daughter she can't be mentally ill? Mental illness, like multiple scierosis, respects no one.

136 posted on 06/11/2003 12:39:46 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: kattracks
"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

Not such a tough fight. Just argue that psychiatrists have demonstrated that they have no credibility and their opinion should not be considered expert. These people have way too high of an opinion of themselves.
137 posted on 06/11/2003 12:49:23 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: Smile-n-Win
The lunatics do indeed run the asylum.

Truer words were never spoken

138 posted on 06/11/2003 1:02:39 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: kattracks
Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

Clearly labeling something as an illness does not always stigmatize it. In fact it can have to opposite effect. The focus out to be on whether or not pedophilia is an illness. Saying it's not is not the same thing as saying it's perfectly moral. And in fact I could see how removing it for the list of mental illnesses could highlight the moral issues.

139 posted on 06/11/2003 1:03:21 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: sweetliberty
What's next, proclaiming that children really have no rights because they are net yet deemed to be persons before the age of consent?

Thus clearing the way for the advent of post-partum abortion! I think you've hit it on the nose!
140 posted on 06/11/2003 1:09:22 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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