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To: Eustace
I'd have to say they are just as stagnant today as they were then or ever.

"Adamant pessimism"

I hold no such view ... God's word has affected so many more people's lives today there's *no* comparison with the past ...

The more I dig into applied science at a really basic, fundamental level the more stunned I grow how marvelous God's universe and his physical laws (so-called "Nature's laws") really are.

Perhaps you've grown jaded in your own life with too much ease, to much observation of only "what's on the surface".

18 posted on 06/09/2003 8:43:11 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: _Jim
The only thing I am positive about is Christ , man tends to ruin things.

I'm refering to the thousands of incorporated churches who CANNOT say what Christ would say about us , our society and our government.Turning out blind followers of the State.

Since the 50's many of our churches have "incorporated" to the State , becoming the State churches that early American's were trying to escape.

I talked to a Pastor asking him if his church was incorporated and explained my position.

He smiled and said " They are not telling us what to say yet."

If you will check the tax code under 501 (c) 3 you will find that "incorporated " churches CANNOT say anything against government policy. That means homosexuality , sodomite marriages or political candidates.

I said what I said because not being able to speak the Truth as Christ would or being told what you CAN'T say under the threat of losing your "tax exempt" status ( granted by Caesar) is the same thing as being told what to say.Churches were supposed to be TAX FREE , that's what SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE means. A TAX FREE Church doesn't have to worry about government intrusion. That's what separation of Church and State means , it doesn't mean that the federal government who has NO LEGAL control over our Churches can remove our God from our public lives.

I look forward to the day when some asshole tells me that my Praying at a public meal offends him , because he will get a quick lesson in "offensive" after which I'm sure my Prayer will be a peaceful exercise of my Faith that he will no longer find offensive.

If our Churches can no longer speak for Christ , then we are in the dark ages. That's not pessimism , that's reality.

DARK AGES

Incorporation goes back to 600 BC in Greece. Rome used incorporation in Caesar's time as a form of government control.

Christian's were not slaughtered in Rome because they worshipped Jesus Christ , they were slaughtered because they refused to incorporate with Caesar. In Caesar's day it was called Licit , known as License today.

Incorporation is not an easy way for churches to allow their sheep to take their donations of Caesar's federal reserve notes off of their taxes , it's a trap created by government to prevent our Churches from telling us the TRUTH.

Why else would our pure government pass legislation to allow the FBI to spy on our Churches?

INCORPORATION is a deception that appears innocent on the surface , but becomes deadly for Christian's when You dig a little deeper.

So You see , I'm not on the surface. And I am trying to spread OPTIMISM , because Gods' word is something "We" can live FREE by and that scares a government whose main objective is enslaving us and taking everything from us including our God.

I hope I have made myself clearer , because I am willing to go as deep as I have to , to help others see our peril.

Peace

33 posted on 06/09/2003 10:02:30 PM PDT by Eustace
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