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What I am sick of is people who claim they are sick of the church. This guy's not the brightest bulb in tha pack, but without some cooperation from the people directly involved in the conflict, it's not going to be solved. He's right about that.

In the Israel-Palestinian deal there's over 50 years of BOTH sides breaking trusts. Both sides have gone back on their word. Neither has a great track record. That needs to change.

As for the scandal, this is more of a purge than anything and frankly, this pope finally has some control over the hierarchy, once a couple big name liberals were out of office either by death or resignation. Just remember the church does not belong to men. It belongs to God. There are men in it who are sinners. We must pray for them.

And tell me again just exactly what is appealing about South Park?

" ... this pope finally has some control over the hierarchy ..."

It does? Why just today our Bishop O'Brien in Phoenix AZ stated that he served at the pleasure of the Pope but yet he also stated that he offered to resign to the "proper authorities" and was it was refused.

What I am sick of is people who claim they are sick of the church.

Tell me about it. I am also sick of these people who claim to be Christians, yet speak with forked tongues. There is often not much charitable about their words or actions towards others. Jesus had some strong words for such people. I was about to write an e-mail to all the Catholics that I have kept friendly contact with over the years about my frustration with the spirit of the dialogue on FR concerning religion. Instead of bringing out the best in people, it often brings out the most ugly. I was thinking about taking a sabbatical from the Religion forum, because at this point in my spiritual development, I thought that I really didn't need to deal with all this junk. I have sympathies for the traditionalists and their points, and I have sympathies for those who have stuck with the Church. But with the true radicals on the Left who want to destroy the Church with their evils of abortion and "sexual freedom," and the schismatics and their questionable words at times, I have often felt frustrated. I want to say to a lot of people "Let he is without sin cast the first stone." But the tenacious spirit in me overcame my thoughts to take a break from the Religion forum. Because there should be no break from our mission for the conversion of souls for Jesus, and we should all let God sort things out. We must put trust in Him and pray for the defense of the Church. He will answer our prayers if enough people pray for it.