EXCELLENT article.
redrock
1 posted on
06/07/2003 6:42:41 AM PDT by
redrock
To: Jim Robinson; William Wallace; DeSoto; Washington_minuteman; Jeff Head; Luis Gonzalez
Excellent article...
redrock
2 posted on
06/07/2003 6:47:25 AM PDT by
redrock
(The Security of Our Nation does NOT reside in restricting Freedom...)
To: dennisw; SJackson; onyx; BenF; Nachum; MadIvan; weikel; quidnunc; Alouette
BUMP.
3 posted on
06/07/2003 6:50:13 AM PDT by
veronica
(How's about a Palestinian state inside France? It could be called "Francenstine"...)
To: William Wallace; Prodigal Daughter; afraidfortherepublic; JohnHuang2; Budge; A Citizen Reporter; ...
BUMP for an important article.
12 posted on
06/07/2003 7:12:07 AM PDT by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
To: redrock
The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.
There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.
It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.
The sooner we face up to this fact realistically and quit dancing around PC talking-point nonsense about diversity and tolerance, the better off we'll all be.
We did not pick this fight- which really has roots in Jimmy Carter's appeasement in 1979 of militants- but we had damned well better see it for what it is, and be prepared to face it and finish it.
I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land.
I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either.
They picked the fight, and now it is up to us to finish it- balls to the wall, hammer and anvil, fire and blood and iron... freedom is never, ever free, and the coin you pay it in is men's lives and tears and blood.
What we saw during Gulf War I was our military doctrine ( high tech ) versus Soviet doctrine ( throw a lot of low tech iron at the problem )-- and we all know how that turned out.
What we have just seen in the 3-Week War is Information-Tech,
( What some are calling it Hyperwarfare... )
or 21st Century warfare versus 20th Century...
What I would suggest, and call your attention to, is the fact that we, and Israel, are capable of waging 21st Century warfare, and the entire Arab world is not.
Proven fact, by recent events.
One more thing- this will be a war where we are all called to be warriors- so I suggest to you that the time has come to get hard, and stay hard... it really is the time for fire and blood and Iron...
13 posted on
06/07/2003 7:15:26 AM PDT by
backhoe
("Time to kick the tires & light the fires-- Let's Roll!")
To: redrock
Some Russian rascal- it may have been Ivan the Terrible - dealt with a parallel problem, involving obstreperous members of the Russian Orthodox hierarchy : He had them hanged from the walls of the Kremlin - no ceremony, no speeches, no chance to stir up the local populace. Just a noose fastened to a bar on the roof, and a fast kickoff into the hereafter.
The Wahabbis have been "blackmailing" the Saudi rulers for many years, because,under Wahabbi law,the rulers are corrupt,blasphemous, and subject to execution by an Islamic court.So: the Saudis pay up-lavishly- over $5 billion dollars to the Taliban alone.
I'm reminded of a limerick:
There was a young lady from Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger.
They came back from the ride
With the lady inside...
And a smile on the face of the tiger.
19 posted on
06/07/2003 7:54:06 AM PDT by
genefromjersey
(I may SEEM a bit crotchety, but ... I'm REALLY a mean old coot !)
To: redrock
CAIR the Wahhabi Lobby- lubricating our leaders
Saudi Oil money building mosques and Islamic Centers accross our country
We've been invaded...by those who have sworn to destroy us
And they've nearly become successful shutting up all criticism of them in this endevor
While we go off to fight their enemies allowing the Wahabbis to grow stronger..
22 posted on
06/07/2003 8:15:55 AM PDT by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: redrock
The problem in the Middle East is not the created Palestinains, Syria, or pre-War Iraq. All those Arabs are and were the worker ants. The Queen, the core of evil, is Saudi Arabia.
We won't touch them.
At the risk of being fried here, the reason is that the Bush family business is glued to them.
Before being accused of being a Bush hater, I know it is inevitable anyway, until a couple of weeks ago I believed that this President, unlike his father, could overcome and do what was best for America. I was wrong.
Goal. The Saudis score.
24 posted on
06/07/2003 8:52:40 AM PDT by
Courier
To: redrock
The moment a cleric utters a Fatwa calling for anyones death is the moment for us to act. These clerics must be stopped permanently, no matter what it takes.I agree with this completely. Until the situation in Iraq is under control, they should be jailed for incitment. There's not much we can do about the parents, but there is a lot we can do about the children. In addition, there are plenty of Shia clerics who ARE moderate, and prefer a secular government. They should be funded, their mosques should be prominent, and they should be prosperous. We have to act quickly in Iraq before this infection spreads.
As to other places, I suggest the Saudis set up a new religous council to oversee the clerics who preach in SA. They should also take to the airways to educate the people in general and let them know how much money has been taken from them to finance these things outside of their country while the people in SA have been allowed to live in poverty.
If the Al Saud family doesn't act quickly, they will be history.
To: redrock
In most of the Islamic world, the Wahhabis control basic schooling. Between the ages of 7 and 15, students are taught fundamentals of strict Islam and religious obligations. Initial introduction to basic education (reading, writing, and arithmetic) is entirely absent, except as an adjunct to the teaching of strict, literal Islam. Between 15 and 25, young men are taught to fight are prepared for jihad. My big question is: how do these graduates earn a living?
What is absent here is any preparation for any trade or profession. How do these people earn an income? Are they entirely supported by an oil-financed Islamic welfare state? If so, then if we cripple the ability of the Saudi's to finance it all, then radical Islam goes away
Of course, we would still have Muslims in the West being able to live on welfare while continuing their radical studies...
31 posted on
06/07/2003 5:43:36 PM PDT by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
To: redrock; knighthawk
Good article and commentary.
Ping for the Islaam List.
34 posted on
06/08/2003 5:48:52 AM PDT by
Ippolita
(Si vis pacem para bellum)
To: redrock
The specter of universal Jihad is upon us. The longer we wait, the stronger the
Wahhabis become, and more capable of achieving their goals.
Despite all the chatter we hear on talk-radio about "Dubya has the Saudis
to his ranch", I think Dubya and Ashcroft are onto the game of the Saudis/Wahhabists.
(please bear with repeats from prev. postings below)
A few weeks ago, a Saudi Arabian consular officer was detained for two days
when he arrived at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), and was then put onto
a plane back to Saudi (or at least to Frankfurt, Germany).
Turned out that he either ignored (or didn't know) that his passport had been canceled
due to Wahhabbist activities; US guvmint sources claim that while he was a Saudi consular officer
and imam/prayer leader at the hugh mosque in Culver City, CA...he was also basically
the head Wahhabist coordinator for the US West Coast.
Off course, his friends all say "he was a religious man and apolitical".
Suggeested reading:
"Hatred's Kingdom"
by Dore Gold, formerly of the Israeli diplomatic corps
Documents the history of Wahhabism; even the attempt by the Turks to wipe out
these nutburgers in the 1800's.
Robert Bahr's (sp?) article in The Atlantic Monthly of May 2003; details the likely
fall of The House of Saud.
43 posted on
06/08/2003 10:59:12 AM PDT by
VOA
To: redrock
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
44 posted on
06/08/2003 12:33:05 PM PDT by
Travis McGee
(How do you know who is a moderate muslim? He is holding the remote control detonator.)
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