Florida: 'Loud music' provokes 3 killings

Miami Herald ^ | June 2, 2003

[wingnuts'nbolts]

I agree. The sentence saying Evers knew someone at the party makes me wonder. If others didn't call because of the loudness of the noise and Evers didn't either, then there is more to the story. Like a woman?

[Publius6961]

He faces three counts of first-degree murder and two of attempted first-degree murder. Evers is jailed without bond.

Obviously, many responders on this thread have never had to deal with days of lack of sleep.
I was wondering where this was going.

Having experienced that sort of harrasment, justifiable homicide comes to mind.
If I were on his jury facing that charge he would walk.
Temporary insanity should be easy to demonstrate.
Isn't sleep deprivation recognized as a form of torture?

[brianl703]

The main difference between townhouses and aparments is the ownership factor.

For some strange reason (I don't know, maybe it's the self-discipline required to save money for a downpayment AND maintain good credit to get a mortgage), homeowners are less likely to blast music and do other obnoxious things.

Townhouses communities with a large percentage of renter-occupied housing are likely to be just as bad as apartments in terms of noise and other obnoxious behavior. (If not worse, as most property management companies are pretty good at screening potential tenants and dealing with them when they cause problems. The average joe who just rents out his house isn't likely to be so dilligent).

This starts a runaway cycle where the tenants obnoxious behavior causes a decline in the property values and the property's value to a potential renter, causing the landlord to have to LOWER his asking price for rent.

This allows even more obnoxious tenants to move in, and so it spirals downward. Then there are the other people who can't take it anymore and move out, but don't want to sell so they rent their townhouses out. When the landlord does sell the property, it's often at a loss (obnoxious tenants often tear the property up too).

[FITZ]

The shallow end of the gene pool has many whites in it and is hardly a racist expression.

Wasn't there an episode on the Osbourne's where Sharon and Ozzy had some obnoxious Eurotrash neighbors playing Eruotrash music very very loud and Sharon, Ozzy and the kids were trying to do something to make them stop? I think Ozzy threw a ham into a window or meant to throw it into the yard and got a window by mistake.

[ladyinred]

Having once lived in an apartment with a next door neighbor who blasted music with a loud bass all day and night, I can understand the frustration! I would have been inclined to shoot the stereo, not the person!

[FITZ]

I get a huge kick out of listening to some Mexican music.

Most Mexican music really wouldn't get on someones nerves like that awful 70's disco or some of the Latin dance music ----there is something about music that is just very repetitive, where the songs just go on forever and the beat is like some primitive Chinese torture. I once had some Iranian neighbors who would play their music really loud and it was horrible music ---but they didn't play it until 4 am and it wasn't the kind of music that would push you over the edge.

[FITZ]

But no complaints for multiple murderers? What a great "conservative" crowd around here.

I don't think anyone was really advocating multiple murders ----but I'm sure most of us have at least at some time experienced completely inconsiderate neighbors or even co-workers who almost go out of their way to be very obnoxious and have absolutely no consideration for anyone. Obviously a sane person can control their emotions and rage ---plan out something better to get even than getting themselves locked up in prison for good. It's a known fact that bad music is a good way to push someone who is borderline for some reason right over the edge. Most music at 4 am is bad but if you're exhausted and something has one pounding beat and just never stops it's really bad.

[Vicki]

My mom lives in a private residence. Her neighbors have played loud music for years. She has explained that she has to get up early to go to work, but it doesn't make any difference.

She has called the police. Occasionally they come out, but it continues. Right now the neighbor's kids are out till all hours of the night shooting off fireworks.

I think it has to do with the neighborhood she lives in. Low income, many on welfare and most have no respect for their fellow neighbor. Many don't have to get up and work. My neighborhood is not like that at all. People here are pretty quiet and respectful of each other. My mom doesn't want to move. She likes her house and her huge, park-like yard.

[vrwc1]

Apparently you assume that loud music players belong to a particular race? And therefore their "elimination" must be a racist comment. My observation is that inconsiderate people belong to all races and genders. It was merely an attempt at satire.

I assume nothing of the kind. Genes have nothing to do with making a person inconsiderate - that is a learned behavior. Genes make a person hispanic, black, asian, white, etc. so your comment about "mowing down the annoying end of the gene pool" would seem to target a particular race or races.

I agree with you that inconsiderate people belong to all races and genders. If that's what you meant to say then you should have worded it better in your post. Regardless of that, the post advocated violence which is forbidden by FR's posting guidelines. The moderator agreed, as the post was removed. We all need to be careful of how we say things when we post here, even in satire, so that FR's reputation isn't tarnished.

[dark_lord]

Oh good grief. You have apparently had a signon since '98, but if you think "mowing down the shallow end of the gene pool" was advocating violence then I guess you haven't been viewing too many posts. As Rooster Cogburn would say: "It's a joke son. A joke...". I guess if I had said "drain the shallow end of the gene pool" you might have got it.

Beyond that, your assertion that genes do not affect behavior merely demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the genetic sciences. Go take the time to read up on "Twin Studies" and you will find that you are incorrect.

Then, go to the dollar store and buy yourself a sense of humor.

[vrwc1]

My, my, my what a smug little provocateur you are. Trying to get a rise from Joe and others.

Who is it that's trying to get a rise out of someone here? Looks like you are. Sorry my friend, it won't work with me.

As for you labeling me a provocateur, you have quite a wild imagination. I've been a registered member of FR since 1998, love the site, and am just looking out for its reputation.

Regarding the gene pool issue, please see my response (#169) to dark_lord.

[vrwc1]

Tell it to the moderator. He didn't find your post funny either.

[dark_lord]

That's his job. By default, if anyone complains, a reply post is deleted. You complained, he deleted it.

[george wythe]

Shooter had a criminal record

Coral Springs Police arrested him May 20 outside Coral Square Mall for ''threatening and chasing'' a mall employee. According to his arrest papers, he was barred from the mall for one year. No other details were available about the arrest.

In 1995, Las Vegas Metropolitan police charged Evers with first-degree kidnapping with a weapon, robbery with a dangerous weapon and coercion. He pleaded guilty to the lesser charge, coercion. In return, prosecutors dropped the kidnapping and robbery counts. Details of the case were not available Monday.

Evers was sentenced to three years in prison concurrent with an unrelated charge of discharging a firearm in a structure. Evers was released from prison in March 1997.

Miami Beach police said Evers, who was raised in Queens, was arrested by New York City police in 1982 on charges of false imprisonment and attempted sexual battery. Both counts were eventually dropped.

[george wythe]

My neighborhood is not like that at all. People here are pretty quiet and respectful of each other.

So is mine. I have never had to ask a neighbor to play down the music since they are extremely considerate.

My mom doesn't want to move.

Too bad.

If I were your mom, I would sell the house to the most obnoxious lowlives I could find in the market and give those inconsiderate neighbors a dose of their own medicine.

[tob2]

It is more an issue of personal responsibility rather than landlord vs. renter. I'm a renter and so are two Freeper neighbors of mine. We do not see fit to behave in a disruptive, rowdy, destructive manner. In my neighborhood, it's the HOMEOWNERS who are rowdy, disruptive, destructive and LOUD! When complaints are made about how loud they are, it results in being called "racist", crazy, sexual deviant (what that has to do with excessively loud music confuses me), not Christian (also causes me to be confused), "stop harassing me", "you're only a renter!" etc. Complaining about people who play it loud has also caused vandalism to cars, perverts exposing their private parts and other such nasty acts; all of this from the undisciplined, ill mannered homeowner! Unfortunately, we live in an era where there is a general lack of good behaviour; people have forgotten about integrity, good conduct, and civility. Parents forget to instill this in their kids. It takes very little effort to raise kids the right way. So if you are a person who grew up with good manners, it will carry over in life, no matter if you rent or own your home, whether you are rich, poor or somewhere in between. And the reverse is true, if you never learned good manners, that carries over into all aspects of life, whether you rent or own. I think the shooter should have found another way to deal with the stress this loud party caused him.

[brianl703]

The homeowners you may be dealing may be a product of the theory that formed when it was noticed that homeowners tend to be more responsible than renters [for reasons I have already pointed out].

The theory is that if it is easier to for people to become homeowners, that will reduce our social ills.

The result was to make it easier for people to become homeowners...they could make lower downpayments and their credit history didn't need to be as good.

Someone who needed the "help" to become a homeowner will probably be as lacking in personal responsibility as they would as a renter.

After all, saving money and a good credit history are hallmarks of personal responsibility.