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To: countrydummy; farmfriend
I guess it is better to let the forests burn to the ground and all of the trees die, than an industry make some money and employee some folks!

I'm sure there's some element of fear that President Bush's commitment to protecting the environment aren't strong enough. But as he said recently about winning the war in Iraq, when he says he's going to do something, people are finding out he says what he means and does what he says.

Anyway, this act looks quite reasonable to me. It doesn't change the rules that require environmental impact studies before logging in the monuments and national parks, so it just encourages thinning where we've already had a lot of human activity. Again, I might have reservations about how to monitor the increased logging activity, but the fire hazzards we've seen must be addressed. (And anyway, on BLM and non-monument/parkland, why shouldn't we be more aggressive about human-intervention in the tree growth cycle?)

The Bush team seems to be on top of things by including the pre-positioning of firefighting crews this summer. That's also impressive.

President Bush Ron Wenker of the Medford Bureau of Land Management Properties District touring the Squires Peak Fire Area in Medford, Oregon. Source: Whitehouse page on the Healthy Forests initiative

The exemptions requiring impact studies for logging and preemptive burns of under 1,000 acres will only be for areas outside the parks. Also, endangered species impact would be eliminated. Given that species come and go all the time, this sounds reasonable, as well. As a conservationist, I used to see the species angle as a good way to protect the forests. But in practice, it has opened up a floodgate of lawsuit ideas and redtape for the econuts to exploit.

20 posted on 05/31/2003 10:43:39 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch
The picture you have posted is a prime example of what Mark is talking about. He has posted similar picture himself. These trees were too close together. Judicious logging would have kept the fire on the ground and helped native species. Now the natives are dead and the first to grow will be invasive introduced exotics. Who will pay for the restoration (weed removal) that now has to be done and who do we hold responsible for the damage?
21 posted on 06/01/2003 5:59:35 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: risk
Anyway, this act looks quite reasonable to me. It doesn't change the rules that require environmental impact studies before logging in the monuments and national parks, so it just encourages thinning where we've already had a lot of human activity.

Nears as I can figure, this is not an act; it is an administrative change in regulation. Also, it does not appear to me that the Bush administration is looking to harvest trees in monuments or national parks. IMHO, they are just trying to thin out overgrown second growth forests...forests that, as you say, have been altered by human activity.

Personally, I like your latest post risk. If you are interested in further dialogue, please feel free to ping me.

22 posted on 06/01/2003 9:31:19 PM PDT by forester (Reduce paperwork -- put foresters back in the forest!)
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