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To: Pukka Puck
Pukka:

I posted articles regarding the Royal Marines raiding Basra, artillery fights in Basra, snatch and grab of Ba'ath leaders, and so on. Men showing far more bravery than you can possibly ever know.

But this leads me to my final point - discourse only works if you are willing to yield in the face of facts. In spite of the articles I showed you, you have judged (and God knows what military expertise you have to judge such things), that it was "little". Well men fought, fought hard, suffered and died in those "little fights". Hardly "little", but you simply don't want to acknowledge it for whatever reason.

If you want to insult Britain, go right ahead. Insult the lads too while you're at it. At first, I thought you might be open to persuasion and logic to do otherwise. I've been disappointed on this score. Then I argued with you because I was worried that others might have believed your nonsense. I shouldn't have worried. That means that in the final analysis, you're just one man (with a few friends maybe), with a chip on your shoulder and a bias, who doesn't really influence or affect anyone. As such, arguing with you is wasting my time. You spouting off as you do, makes it worse for yourself, not for me, the longer you continue. If people agree with you, fine. But so far, none are the ones I've been privileged to call friends here.

In conclusion, "knock yourself out, kid".

Any future posts from you will not be replied to.

Ivan

459 posted on 05/05/2003 3:01:39 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Same old same old from Ivan.

"I posted articles regarding the Royal Marines raiding Basra, artillery fights in Basra, snatch and grab of Ba'ath leaders, and so on. Men showing far more bravery than you can possibly ever know."

Yes, they raided, they snatched, they diddled around on the outskirts of Basra for two weeks. We agree this, it is only semantics you want to quibble over.

Their is no doubt that the British troops showed great bravery. I have never doubted or questioned their bravery, so your Johnny one note insistence that I have questioned the bravery of the British troops is more of your trademark intellectual dishonesty.

"If you want to insult Britain, go right ahead. Insult the lads too while you're at it."

There you go again. I did not insult Britain or the lads, despite your frequent assertions to the contrary. I have repeatedly posted that the British troops did everything that they were asked to do and did it very well. Somehow you never acknowledge this fact. I have also repeatedly posted that the British did what the AMERICAN commanders asked them to do. For whatever reason, the AMERICAN commanders wanted the British troops to stay out of Basra and only conduct raids and such, while the American troops did the heavy lifting. The logical reason that the AMERICAN commanders asked the British troops to avoid heavy combat was that the British public was strongly against the war, while the American public supported the war.

If the British had taken heavy casualties in an unpopular war, it would have been very bad for American policy makers and Bush in particular.

Big deal, your friends support you in your error. That says more about your friends than the quality of your argument.

Thanks for letting me have the last word. That is white of you.




462 posted on 05/05/2003 4:27:06 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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