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To: patriciaruth
*clap clap clap*

No matter what, Captain Kirk did the right thing. Sure, he ended up in hot water for breaking the retarded Prime Directive all the time, but in the end he was always proven correct. In contrast, Captain Archer could be replaced with Kofi Annan, and no one would be able to tell the difference.

Fortunately for those of us who would like a real return of Star Trek to the American vision of TOS, Enterprise's ratings are really bad, and the last TNG movie bombed. Perhaps after this series ends we can take a 10 year break and start over.

9 posted on 05/01/2003 11:20:51 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl (rabid TOS fan)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Go to http://www.cynicscorner.org and check out The Cynic's opinion of the current state of Star Trek. Funny stuff, but oh so true. Star Trek isn't dead. It's undead!

Berman and Bragga REALLY need to be fired and a new creative team put in place. Those two are the bane of Star Trek.

As for Enterprise, I see very little hope for it to be salvaged. Even IF Berman and Bragga were to be shoved out an airlock, can Enterprise be fixed? Doubtful. Best to let it die, give it a while, and then bring back a new one with a new creative team. Maybe set it a couple of centuries in the future of Next Generation, after the Federation has suffered a catastrophe which sets it back for a while (Like, for instance, its socialist government collapsing in on itself at last).
14 posted on 05/01/2003 11:33:06 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in '08.)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl; All
I have been an off-and-on fan, not as die-hard as some, but finding all the ST series (with the exception of DS9) interesting. TNG had a lot of good storylines (Darmok, Inner Light, to name two), but when it came to sheer captaincy, Kirk could mop the floor with Picard and Janeway, and still have time for a shag with (insert female's character name here) before dinner.

What makes the TOS characters better is the tension between McCoy and Spock, with Kirk in the middle. He emoted, sure, but it was honest, and you ended up rooting for the guy in the end, no matter how overacted it was. Picard & Lameway, on the other hand, always have this need to try to understand and negotiate. Had Kirk encountered those fuzzy-haired guys in Voyager, he would've shot first and negotiated later. "You want technology? Here, have some....ZAP!" Case closed.

What bothers me about Enterprise is that it is supposed to be set before TOS, but the characters act like the ones in TNG, and later. Nobody seems to have any balls, except Tripp; he seems to be the brashest of the lot, which should reflect the world at that alleged time: energetic, headstrong, etc, not the "Well, let's tread cautiously and not upset the gays who might be watching..." What they need is a villain who won't negotiate, who doesn't care to "understand" earth, or Archer, or anything, and who can pretty much kick their butt. No political correctness, no niceties, no prisoners.

TOS was written at a time when the underlying political situation was that the American way is the best way: cold-war Klingons could go pound sand. Nowadays, nobody has the right to call "foul" because of multiculturalism and the misguided belief that all cultures are as valid as the next one. (Maybe an episode where everyone is invited to shore leave by the Planet of the Cannibals.....) Archer doesn't emote, except to his dog, and that makes him a sorry captain. At least Picard and Janeway got pissed every once in a while. This guy, though....yeesh.

The producers need some testosterone shots or SOMETHING.

16 posted on 05/01/2003 11:37:01 PM PDT by Othniel (Elen sila lumennen olmentilmo.)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
alright!!, a rabid TOS fan!! ...

I always have to be on a guilt trip when I explain I prefer TOS to TNG to Gen X'rs ... and I haven't seen the latest movie after getting suckered into buying "Insurrection" (a two-part TV show instead of the movie it was made out to be) ...

HOWEVER, I did like "Generations" and "First Contact" a lot ...

sure, in TOS the boulders were made of styrofoam and bounced off people (oh well, you can't REALLY crush the actors on set) and sure Mark Lenard (Spock's dad, later) showed up first as a Romulan ...

And I could have liked some of "Voyager" if about 4 crewmembers had been thrown overboard ... FReepmail me to ask which ones, otherwise it'll start a flame war ... LOL ...
22 posted on 05/01/2003 11:59:57 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Kirk was an individual who took responsibility into his own hands -- a hero. His successors were colorless organization men and women who acted strictly according to the book and showed no initiative. They made much less compelling television. Kirk was a sheriff in the Wild West, and they were suburban shopping mall cops. But from their point of view, Kirk's way would result first in acrimony and chaos, and then in universal homogenization as Kirk reshaped the universe according to his own lights. Kirk would not have sent the refugee back, and he would have been right, but one can understand why a heavily organized world would fear Kirks and want to weed them out. One major problem with organizations like the Union or the Federation, though, is that all their efforts to preserve unique cultures fail because there's no escaping the sterile grip of organizations and procedures.
55 posted on 05/02/2003 12:51:18 AM PDT by x
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